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MEIavecchia said:

Let's put this in terms you Apple sympathizers will understand.
An awesome new company has just invented an encrypted physical key to a physical encrypted door to some child molesters creepy basement.
Impervious to any locksmith and of course any court orders to open it with a warrant to search for your missing son or daughter that the government believes might be inside or might contain clues as to the whereabouts of your child. Now do you get it? Simpletons
Apple helps terrorists!

Your analogy is incorrect.
- the lock company makes and sells tens of millions of this model of lock
- the FBI asks them to make a skeleton key to open the one basement door, only due to the technical nature of the lock the key, if made, would be capable of opening every single one of the tens of millions of locks sold, many of which are used to keep our sons and daughters safe.

genovelle said:

TooSafeIsUnsafe said:

When, not if, Apple's attitude protects a deadly attack, please remember your support of privacy over safety. Apple's attitude is misleading if not outright dishonest.

Should we be able to track all gun owners to know where they are their health info and track their conversations and posts to make sure they are not planning to kill someone with a gun. If the government has this info key it could prevent many of the 12,000 or so murders in to US each year. The would save literally 1000 times more lives each year if it worked because there outside terrorist attacks a rare here.  

What a ridiculous idea.  You realize murder and mass murder happens with and without guns right?  I'm Canadian and contrary to popular belief we have a lot of guns.  There is an estimated 15 million guns in the country (nearly half were never registered when the laws changed in the 90s) or about 1 gun for every two people yet we don't have, per capita, the same rate of mass shootings.  It is about mental health treatment (we suck at that but apparently not as bad as you) and a variety of socio-economic issues.  Some northern US states have "lax" gun laws and a similar or lower murder rate than bordering Canadian provinces.  Every time there is some horrible tragedy your politicians and press start calling for "assault weapons" bans and "universal background checks" but no one mentions education, poverty, mental health.  That is why nothing changes.  Blame Obama, blame Bloomberg and blame the mass media.

JeffA2 said:

Your analogy is also incorrect. Apple is not being asked to create a skeleton key. They are being asked to create a procedure for unlocking phones. The software itself -- the 'key' in your parlance -- only fits a single lock. But the procedure could be used to create other keys for other phones. But -- and here's the big difference -- each of those new keys must be separately authorized by a warrant and a subsequent court order. Then that specific 'key' must signed by Apple before it will open the lock. That means there is judicial review for each individual case. That's exactly the type of protection guaranteed by the US constitution.

No Jeff that is not the case at all.  The FBI are asking Apple to create a version of iOS that allows infinite attempts at the password.  If such a version were created and subsequently stolen/leaked it could be used on any other iPhone.  Hence the "skeleton key" that opens all the locks analogy.

The other issue Apple has is where does this end?  At first the FBI said this is just for this one phone but them Comey (spelling?) admitted they would want to use such a compromised version many many times.  So that would compel Apple to constantly maintain a compromised version of iOS in perpetuity.  

JamesBB said:

thewhitefalcon said:

Compare knife violence over there to here. People will use what they can get. Gun violence also continues to decline. 

PS: it's a constitutional right, so get used to it. 

The current homicide rate per capita in USA is 5 times higher than Germany...

You are obviously as educated as the rest of the gun lobby...

Comparing nation to nation (on any statistic) is difficult at best, serious flawed at worst.  Canada has a lower homicide rate than the US, but several states have comparable homicide rates and some states have lower homicide rates than some neighbouring provinces.  Look where the violence is regionally/locally and look for cause.  I bet you'll find poverty, poor education, gangs, drug wars etc.