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  • First look: Apple's 2018 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar

    Our new 2018 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar is already in for testing after orders for Apple's latest professional laptop went live on Thursday. Read on for our 

    Performance

    This year's 13-inch MacBook Pro is the first to be powered by a quad-core CPU. Our test rig is a base model running Intel's 8th-generation Core i5 processor at 2.3GHz with boost speeds up to an impressive 3.8GHz.

    In Geekbench 4, the laptop scored 4,602 for single core and 16,699 for multi-core, which is a huge upgrade over last year's models. For comparison, the 2017 13-inch MacBook Pro without Touch Bar put in single- and multi-core scores of 4,524 and 9,484, respectively. Perhaps more impressive, the new 13-inch outperforms a top-of-the-line 2016 MacBook Pro with Intel 2.9GHz Core i7, which turned in scores of 4,360 and 11,979.

    2018 MacBook Pro Geekbench

    This new quad-core CPU is obviously more powerful than previous MacBook Pro processors, so it's going to be drawing more battery power. To ensure uniform battery life, Apple increased battery size by 18 percent over last year's Touch Bar model.

    Using Blackmagic's Disk Speed Test, we found the new model's SSD, at least the 256GB version, writes at 680.8MB/s and reads at 2245.9MB/s, roughly equivalent to last year's base model.
      https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/2018-macbook-pro-benchmarks

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      Geekbench 4

      This test measures overall performance on laptops, and the 13-inch MacBook Pro is tops. Apple’s laptop scored 18,055 on the multi-core test. That obliterates the 9,930 premium laptop average. The next closest system was the Core i7-powered Dell XPS 13, and that hit 14,180. The HP Spectre 13 and Huawei MateBook X Pro were further behind with 13,090 and 12,913, respectively."

      ^so, so much hyperbole in Apple reporting by seemingly all the tech sites, same can be said for the PCworld review of the xps 13.  Fastest SSD "ever"...until next month, lol.

      As I had guessed, all just a 'silent' or 'quiet' update, like Apple has done before...when there isn't all that much to be slamming the media with hyperbole about the newest, fastest, etc, etc.

      Now we can start the threads on guessing when Apple will update to the newest Intel cpus, after Dell has already done it on theirs, 3-9mo sooner. I will bet on this current minimal update(as far as amount of R&D needed to get it out the door) that Apple did not improve cooling at all, same cooling tech as last year, unlike PC side where they are trying to gain performance by better cooling to reduce throttling. in the xps, the lesser i5 beat the same gen i7 quad core in the XPS, because of major cooling changes, which results in more fan noise<<<how many complaints would Apple get if their laptops have fans blasting away like a PC laptop?

      "Dell outfitted the New XPS 13 with dual fans and dual heat pipes (the previous model uses just a single-fan and single-heat pipe)...We used Intel’s XTU CPU stress test on the New XPS 13 for 45 minutes, and the XPS 13 ran between 3GHz and 3.3GHz. The previous XPS 13 stuck to 2.4GHz to 2.8GHz for the same run. XTU also shows that Dell has the New XPS 13’s chip set to run basically at 25 watts for most of the time, while the previous model had a limit of 15 to 17 watts.
      The tradeoff, though, is noise"

      Hmm, a quad core i7 in the 2017 xps 13, wasn't running at full power because it gets too hot, too fast? Shocking...or not :p
      ^ https://www.pcworld.com/article/3263913/laptop-computers/dell-new-xps-13-review.html

      Someone needs to read/fact check these AI articles...almost as bad as MSNBC 'fact checking'. Comparing the base 'non'-touchbar MBP 13" with an a different CPU that has a spec'd TDP of 15w, compared to the TB models that run 28wTDP, is an apples and oranges. Moreover, the TB version is the same 28W for either 2 core 2017 or 4 core 2018...so being more "powerful" does not mean it will consume more energy...all else being equal.

      I expect Apple will not use it, but Dell will upgrade one version of the xps 13 to use Wiskey Lake, which is now in limited production on Lenovo. Let's take a look at what a quad core 15W i7 Whiskey lake's numbers are...whoa, dood, that's "ISNANE!!!" <says the Apple rumor sites' excited teenagers?

      https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?q=8565U
      GB4 being the standard masserbating tech profile, that's supposed to approx 'gen running conditions'- except for Lisa Simpson types like me that only do email/Word/net browsing and *require* 32GB or more of ram to run just a few stoopid tabs in Safari or FF, even running less than 1/2 doz tabs at same time. 

      SC scores: 5000-5400, MC:14k-15.6k <hey wtf, that "destroys, obliterates, and terminates" the MBP 2.9Ghz (base freq) 15" 2016...or was that MBP 15 2017 that was promised ---as long as you don't need anything more than a whimpiest Intel 620 IG

      https://wccftech.com/intel-whiskey-lake-u-8th-gen-core-i7-8565u-core-i5-8265u-cpu-leak/

      Say, if DDR4 in the MBP15 only requires a slight battery capacity increase to maintain similar runtime, then the Whiskey Lake 15w i7, which supports DD4 would mean? that Apple could(not going to happen, unless snowballs freeze in hell) have 32GB DDR4 in the MBP13? Yeah, they probably could, and they surely won't even in a faux "pro" 13inch model.

      Until next year or so, when Apple puts the Axx into the MB, we can expect limited options from Intel, so another silent update for the MB using same 4.5w TDP, Amber lake-Y series:

      https://www.anandtech.com/show/12878/intel-discuss-whiskey-lake-amber-lake-and-cascade-lake

      All this is so boring, I'll just wait for the 'full' revised versions using Cannonlake & LPPDR4x @2X the bandwidth of DDR4 & much lower power consumption  compared to was is currently being used in the MBP & PC laptops> both charging a pretty penny @$400 to get 32GB. DDR4-2400,,,damn, why doesn't Apple just use the slowest memory they can get for the lowest price, and then pad the profit margins...same ol, same ol for the last few decades...anyone remember Netscape & running out of Mem with massive 32MB of Dimm? Having to use RamDoubler to keep OS8/9 from crashing on the full release versions of Netscape, which were in reality non-stop beta, w/alpha being passed off as beta, mid 90's? Apple gouged on mem back then too, never gave high enough capacity, never...same ol same ol. same ppl on forums claiming only VM, video editors, blah, blah, need more than 32megabytes of RAM?

      Apple ip8+ &ipX both use LPDDR4X, but because it's more expensive, I'll bet Apple doesn't use the newest/fastest LPDDR4X in the ip. Question for you all, Phil says they didn't use 32GB DDR4 because of reduced runtime...and yet, all it took was a larger capacity battery, which Apple could have done all along. Phil is a marketing BS'er, needs to be terminated. If you double the capacity of RAM, does it not double the amount of energy consumed by that RAM? It should, so how much Apple; for transparency purposes, in milliwatts, does 16GB of DDR4 vs 16GB of LPDDR3 use? If we use LPDDR4X, even if 40% more efficient than DDR4; logically it is going to end up using some X amount of energy more than 16GB. But how much more, apparently it is not all that much, and we know Apple's DNA won't let them have less runtimes. Alright Apple post up the specs when you make those claims, give us the lab test results, lol.< They won't, like the DOJ, they will obfuscate before embarrassing themselves with the actual numbers.

      https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/lpddr4x/

      BTW, for the noobs that post, there is no LPDDR6 from Samsung, nor has JEDEC finalized a standard for LPDDR5. Also, it is not only Intel that does not support LPDDR4 with their cpu's (outside of already noted early low power cannonlake i3), AMD likewise doesn't yet support LPDDR4...so, ya do what you have to do, get a custom controller from 3rd party, messy, but doable...but those Apple corporate beancounters, it's about supply chain availability in quantities needed, for acceptable profit margins, which we know are higher than other's so...that can lead to less than latest/best/greatest available technology, otherwise everyone would use HBM2

      http://samsungtech24.blogspot.com/2018/04/samsung-started-producing-lpddr6-ram.html
      ^this is what you might call, faux news, click bait, no lpddr6, it's about GDDR6 which is now in latest higher-end (s00n)shipping Nvidia cards.

      FN is defined by Collins dictionary, if I think about it, I'm sure I can come up with an old substitute...not sure TeamAI would be any happier...seeing as virtually no new members even bother to read the 'writing style guide' here.
      https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/fake-news
      It will be in the next edition of websters I'm sure:

      cgWerks
    • WWDC was all about software, just like it was when Steve Jobs ran the show

      @Stepheour n Silver, many, many issues I see with the trajecytory TeamAI is currently on...though I believe your boss is in  denial of that, cannot see the forest from the tree. Not sure where to post, since TeamAI is all over the place dropping these posts in various threads. This thread itself seems to contradict what Mr Whet wrote in another post. From that post I read by the Admn, any other member who started such a thread would have it 'disappear' from public view, only TeamAI mod's/Admn's would be able to see it then. Seems to me, the team here, is not altogether in unison, this makes Mr Silver, seem like the analogy of doing a 'Sarah Sanders' iykwim.

      But where to post and address all these conflicting issues that are spread across the forums?

      1st off, not exactly the most important...but:

      Is there any way to post up the author/creator of these editorial/articles when shown in the forums/comments part? I see the author only before hitting the comments link, once going into the forums for comments, the author is not displayed anywhere...So some may not no which TeamAI member they are responding to...I've seen that confusion(though don't have time to search/provide a link...don't have it readily available, and since I cannot edit my post, not going to make another post, simply to insert a link, where it should be able to be place right here). More over, when more than one TeamAI member has contributed to, or is involved with these...I'd like to see their names provided at the bottom of each of these.
       

      example below(u can see this at many 'news' sites) author is posted right at the top. Unlike here, when you click on her name, you get her full bio/credentials kind of a modified curriculum vitae(sp?)...would like to see that here if you consider yourselves 'journalists' not bloggers. You know, for transparency <<< don't you love the current buzzword/fan fav's of current discourse.

      Oh, yeah, you can quote both Steve and me, bc we both said these things: SteveJobs started off defensively as a joke: "you can't please everyone, all of the time" Me: "and this to, shall pass" in reference to 'fake news'<<< OMG, whatevah, fer sure fer sure, like...totally, awesome.

      At the the end of this article we see "Fox News' Pamela K. Browne and Cyd Upson contributed to this report. "

      One wonders if TeamAI members, or any other source for content here, considers themselves to be 'journalists'. In a blogger social media era, where so many old school forums are now peppered with post that are simply inane 'tweets'...you know what they say @TeamAI, it is the reality perhaps none of us wants to be, 'once you take the genie out of the bottle, you can't put it back in' F-bombs prevail, civility is gone...for the most part...so, is a blogger ever considered a journalist, and when does a journalists' content qualify as 'blogging'? Are there equal standards being applied to fact checking(so we can avoid the 'fake news' scenarios???)?


      So far, everyone, including the author's of this thread, seemed to have very short memories, in that there does not even need to be any 'event', Apple has, and will likely in the future(almost 100% certainly, imho) introduce/announce hardware updates on any give date or time of the year...sometimes with no fan fare at all. I suspect, we may even have that happening right now. With modest, not likely massively promoted, updates; using currently available hardware that Apple has not utilized to many complaints. Then come 2019, the bigger hardware announcments using 1st off the assembly line hardware that Intel gives to their priority customers. Then perhaps later, WWDC 2019 or 2020  Apple's Axx Arm starting 1st in the MBA/MB 12", following yrs as Arm platform gets even more potent that it surpases Intel/AMD.

      We can look to prior WWDC's for ^ indications of all that. I can provide a link to what Steve did say, which is so on point now, it's not even funny, RIP Steve Jobs, there will *never* be anyone remotely like him...at least in my short life time...if I could take the time, or if I could edit later. Funny, back in the mid '80s, I worked at a company that M$ absorbed/bought out(I was let go b4 that happened)? that provided a powerful solution to a way to port across multiple platforms


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