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Psamathos said:

This seems like a whole load of posturing and blackmail to me. Basically they are saying "we can't enable screen sharing to apps that Apple hasn't authorised because they might allow data to go somewhere that violates the users' privacy". Well, you know, you could always ask the user, couldn't you? Maybe a dialogue box the first time you connect to an app that's not signed by Apple isn't the absolutely perfect user experience, but it's an awful lot better than killing the feature all together. Given that Apple's own app store doesn't have a perfect record on vetting applications, that same pop-up-on-first-connect would probably be useful for Apple App Store apps too.

So no, this isn't EU regulation causing problems. This is Apple causing problems and attempting to blame the EU, because it doesn't want to loose its insanely lucrative monopoly by which is takes 30% of the entire value of the App Store for its own profit.

Well under the DMA they should allow apps to have the same access to Apple Intelligent frameworks in third party app stores, also giving those apps unfettered access to the semantic debase that holds a lot of valuable personal and crucial data. As Apple values privacy it would render the platform vulnerable on a scale not seen before … 
So the EU reaps what it has sown 🤷‍♂️

blitz1 said:

Point taken. Nice to see that the EC stays sharp as a knife against companies taking competition laws lightly.

if Apple won’t make Apple Intelligence aka OpenAI with an Apple layer, then users can still do without the layer

Can you explain, because Apple Intelligence doesn’t equal ChatGPT integration …

So much uninformed opinions. Apple’s statement is pretty clear, they love to bring the feature to the EU, but are investigating if that is possible and if that would be compliant with the DMA. It’s not that it needs to work on windows or Android, but the fact that they need to potentially open up the A.I semantic database with all your your privacy related content to third parties out of their control and that could potentially endanger users security and privacy.

Just to be clear sharing location is something completely different than sharing your complete life … not so long ago MS had to experience this with WIndows Recall, ones smart people found out that database could be used by any local users, MS had to retracted and postpone Windows Recall … due to privacy and security, now think in that context, would you be happy to share that kind of dynamite with a third party apps tore …

pascal007 said:

It’s bluff on Apple’s part. Apple Intelligence wasn’t going to be available anyway because it only works in English for now.

its also bluff because Microsoft’s solution is available and working in multiple languages and countries, and so is Google’s (and ChatGPT, as well as others).

So Apple is agitating the American flag to hide the limitations of their current AI implementation. 

It’s not a bluf, ChatGPT is a website and Microsoft Recall was so open that all your private data can be leaked everywhere, there was such a big backlash Windows Recall is not launched due to this.

The DMA would force Apple to offer access to the most Private part,  aka Apple Intelligence framework and semantic database, to third party stores apps that can feast on your data like there is no tomorrow, if you do call this bluff fine, I call it overreaching of bureaucrats that dit not realized that complex laws will impact innovation, just because they could not look into the future.

I just saw the first of Episode of See, if all the content is of the same quality, I'm in! Just amazing ... what a relief!

Says the CEO of a company that literally has dominated the computer OS scene. Because of that domination killed of Lotus 1-2-3 with Word/Excel/Powerpoint … And did exactly the same with collaboration and Teams … all because they bundled everything together … boohooo cry me a river. Yes Zoom had a short lived success in the beginning of the pandemic, but the platform power of MS quickly ended that.

charlesn said:

Considering how badly Apple has fumbled voice assistant capabilities--Siri remains, as ever, the dumbest student in the class--I have concerns about how well it will deploy advanced AI capabilities. I am all-in on Apple devices EXCEPT when it comes smart speakers and voice-controlled lights and appliances. Part of the reason is because Siri continues to be frustratingly and profoundly stupid--but mainly, it's because Alexa and Google are in everything and Siri is not. 

I think Tim said what he had to say today for the benefit of Wall Street because Apple is simply not in the conversation when it comes to AI... except to ask, "Where is Apple in all of this?" which is not the question you want raised. The lack of specifics in what he said did not inspire confidence--I guess he's hoping to have some meat on the bones by WWDC in June. And you can blah, blah, blah all you want about how much AI is already in Apple products, but it doesn't change the fact that, as a company, they are not in the AI conversation like MSFT, NVDA, GOOG, META, etc. 

Yeah if you look at Siri as Apple’s AI effort you are wright, except Siri was never’s Apple AI effort, it was pre AI/ML era created and still is. If you see ChatGPT as smart, well until recently it could not answer a simple reasoning question like if it take 4 hours for a towel to dry outside in the sun how long does it take to dry 20, it did 4x20, just know they programmed that out to give the correct answer … (still hard to solve by AI so they are just faking the answer)

AI euh excuse me ML is being backed into every product since 2017 from a HW perspective, and FaceID was the real visible use of AI/ML of Apple, but to name just a few things that Apple has used ML more and more. The Translate App that is really fast and completely offline supporting dozens of Languages, recognizing objects and people in photo’s you can look up in your library. All the features that people with disabilities use, are almost all based on AI/ML. The dictation tool that works way better than Siri by the way, AI/ML, The autocorrect / suggestion, finally uses AI/ML and is finally descent … Centerstage … etc etc etc … So all in all things I use daily, while I used ChatGPT in the beginning for fun, I stopped using it, the initial high and wow has gone and some meh feeling took over. Yes for coding it has potential or for some very niche use cases it could be great, replacing jobs, but do we really want to replace humans buy a chatbot …

Oh Microsoft what about M365? You actually leverage your Win position to force out all other MDM/Office/Identity providers out of the market, (everyone is leaving MDM platforms as you offer Intune for “free” ) What about Xbox, and you buying up game developers … Sore losers, but fear not, people will eventually see this and cancel their M365 subs, I know my company with 300 seats just did, just because they feel abused … and Apple is offering Apple Business Essentials … I hope a lot will follow suit.

PS: the solution is simpel, and it will het the EU where it hits hard, just make a US Apple ID, all will work and all the revenue you spent will benefit the US government as taxes will land in the US . Look who is laughing now.

avon b7 said:

The DMA/DSA were absolutely necessary. 

They are the first attempts at tackling a major problem: the ever increasing dependence of everyday life on digital platforms and the ever increasing abuse by those platforms on everyday life through using dominance to shore up the barriers of entry and stifle competition. 

They will change over time to tackle the situation as it develops. 

Informing people would be an excellent option and might have been enough to soften the extent of the blow but that should have been offered by Apple as a preemptive solution. It's too late for that now. 

iPhone NFC accessbshould never have been limited to Apple. Anti-steering should never have existed. One app store with one company controlling commissions should never have happened. Idem Wallets, WebKit obligations etc. 

All this in a duopoly platform situation. 

Feathers will be ruffled because Apple is now choosing the bumpy road and dragging its feet on compliance. It probably won't end well but its Apple’s decision. 

And perhaps mostly importantly, it isn't an Apple only directive. 

The DSA/DMA will likely be the models for legislation elsewhere (possibly Including the US). 

What abuse??!!! Most of the App Store apps over payments only outside of the store. Remember iTunes, it’s been surpassed by Spotify, most Spotify users pay outside the AppStore … without the App Store Spotify would have never existed and that is just one example …

In the mean time FB, Instagram (also FB), WhatsApp (also FB), X, … and so on, they abuse you, they damage mental health, that is the real problem. It’s like convicting car manufactures if users are speeding and killing someone … Apple gave us wonderful tools, many are very useful but unfortunately there are also dark sides to this, and those where never addressed, and the DMA will not address them either, on the contrary you will see App stores that will thrive on rotten ethics, thanks to the DMA