Pema

Once again the Chinese have upended the market. This time with AI. The whole Western model has been debunked.
Kind of reminds me of the 1990s when Oracle and other big name tech titans committed to spend trillions to create the information superhighway with the mantra the first and best would control it. When a little canary in the coal mine tweeted 'hey we have just such a model an it costs nada' it is called the internet and it was invented in the 70s as ARPANET bringing the whole proposed model crashing down. And the rest is history as they say. 
The reason that the Western model is unwieldily is the gargantuan amounts of data and the nuclear processing power required to deliver even a smidgen of info that it becomes like the Russian wristwatch: a clunky face with a car battery required to run it. Not to mention the fact that the smidgen of data is woefully inadequate and wrong most of time. 

China is the future: manufacturing, EV and now AIs. 

Yup. Books look great just not enough of them. The undisputed bookshelf of the world is still Amazon. Any book, any format, and every price range. 

What to expect, when to expect it? I would suggest that you can expect the folding phone and iPad to be delivered around the same time as your Apple Car.

apple4thewin said:

Is he on temporary leave or just straight up out of there? (As in completely fired)

Probably strolling the halls. Well, not exactly strolling the halls, but walking around in circles at Apple Park. 

As an aside if you are the boss - read: Mr Tim - you demote a subordinate - read: John - and clear the decks and air. You don't commit Hara Kiri and fire yourself. 

Isn't this more of the same, i.e. Deja Vu, where Apple Maps directed motorists to an underpass straight into incoming flights 

decoderring said:

Wow, I think this is the first time I’ve ever not wanted to install an update.

I’ll do it because there are likely some security updates, but I wish it were possible to not have all the AI stuff that, for me, just creates bloat.

You are not the only one who feels this way. 
It is high time for TC to take his box of memorabilia and head home. He has completely lost the plot. 

charlesn said:

Pema said:

charlesn said:

Pema said:

Beating a dead donkey this is what this is. Another iPhone (yawn): iPhone 16e (aka the Dud) and now the iPhone Fold (another dud). And in another four years: the iPhone Anniversary Edition - 20th Phone. What does it do? Makes phone call, text messages and oh yes the entire back is covered with cameras. Other than that, nada. Other than over-complicating an iOS with myriad functionality that everyone keeps turning off because it is getting in the way of working and eats up gobs of memory. 

And, oh yes, let's not forget Apple Intelligence. Which Microsoft shuttered last week is starting to look a lot like the dot.com boom of the Y2K. 

Talk about eating the same meal that Steve Jobs cooked all those years ago. Must be surely getting stale by now. 

And the new vision: the Vision Pro aka the dead horse. 

Apple needs new blood rather than stirring the same pot ad infinitum. 

And meanwhile, in the real world: Apple's booming sales keep fueling record-setting revenues and profits, it's the world's most valuable company, its stock price sits near its all-time highs and it just won its 18th straight World's Most Admired Company award. But The Cult of Dead Steve just can't abide a level of consistent, record-setting success that exceeds what Apple achieved under Jobs. 

On that basis, the drug cartels are the sure epitome. They are the highest grossing, best managed businesses the world over, despite not having any board members on the election committees and dealing with adversarial forces on every front. I am just taking your measure of success: $$$$. 

I was talking about innovation. You obviously buried your head in the pot full of cash and forgot about that. 
 

Can't waste my time. You continue barking at the moon on message boards. I'll continue making money on Apple innovation. 14 years with Cook as CEO and the growth has never stopped. It is a far better and exponentially more successful company now than when Jobs died--but by all means, you keep worshipping at your altar of Dead Steve. 

Yup. Proved my point. You are tone deaf. I am not worshipping Steve Jobs. I am just pointing out the bleeding obvious that you can only milk a product so far before you bleed it dry. MS under Nutella moved away from Windows to the Cloud. Google, ok, bad example because they are a one trick pony: Search. But Apple has traditionally been a huge innovator during the early Jobs era, then it faltered and almost died, then Jobs came back and it was one great product after another. Where is that innovation gone? You can keep on hiring best and brightest engineers in the world but engineers do not create, they build. 
You need someone with a great vision to follow on from Jobs and I just don't see it. 
Apple Car. Dead. Vision Pro. On life support. And now more iPhone configurations to lengthen its life well beyond its due by date. 
Yes Apple is making money. But that's not enough. 

chasm said:

Pema said:

This is the companion to let's extend the lifespan of our existing and tired devices, iPhone, iPad by making them foldable. 
99.9% of iPhone, iPad users want a foldable device, as much as they want a book light and electric toothbrush added to their Apple devices. 

This is called spinning your wheels when you have nothing new and revolutionary to offer. 

I love it when I can't tell if a rant has been generated by AI or a psych patient off their meds.

The iPhone WAS the revolution. Go back and look what phones were around before the iPhone was introduced, and what happened immediately after that. Hint: Steve Jobs even made a chart to show you!

There is nothing wrong with iterating and incrementally improving a revolutionary product, which is exactly what Apple does, which copy-machine Samsung faithfully follows AFTERWARDS. Oh wait, except for the Samsung S-Pen -- an "innovation" so popular that no current model includes or supports it. And don't get me started on Windows. ...

If you are "tired" of Apple products, find something clearly superior in an all-around sense, and report back. In the meantime ... get back under your bridge, troll.

Clearly Mr Chasm you are an elderly person living in a nursing home with an advanced case of Alzheimer's. Let's look at some of the slobbering, blubbering rubbish you have written. 

1. iPhone was the revolution. Obviously in your advanced mental fog you have forgotten how long ago that was and how many years Apple has been steadily milking that cow. Let me remind you (and it is quite easy to remember, look at the ads in The Daily Senior for the iPhone: Sixteen). btw that cow is now totally emaciated and about to be turned into leather - it is that old!
2. There is nothing wrong with iterating and incrementally improving a revolutionary product. Agreed. But for how long before it clearly becomes the only product that Apple has to offer to generate massive revenue. The rest does not even come close. 
3. Samsung. If you follow this forum - which in your case means nothing, because once you do, you promptly forget it - I have repeatedly written to say that Samsung's foldable phones are collecting dust at all three retailers that I visit. But Apple in its self-righteous way believes that it can reinvent the form factor and generate massive sales out of it. Apple has done it with the iPad - not the first tablet, HP had one in the late 90s (that's the venerable printer company from Palo Alto  ).
4. I am not tired of Apple products. I am a little fatigued at watching Apple under Cook (a brilliant manager) turn out yet another phone that does basically the same as what the first iPhone did: make calls, take pictures and text. If any other company did that everyone would be groaning and run for the hills. 
5. My point is where is the revolutionary stuff to turn the industry on its head, like in the days of Jobs? And please, please do not tell me Apple Intelligence. I turned it off on the first day. It is nothing more than trawling through troves of old data and using algorithms to farm out half-intelligible (generative) answers. If that has you stoked then I would suggest that you put down those girlie magazines - you will harm yourself. 

Finally Mr Chasm, why don't you reach out for the meds before harshly critiquing someone's else post. 

In other words what Apple is saying, 'we have nothing new to offer you, so here is another, time-wasting, later-thinking feature: add robotics to (stop me if you have already guessed it) iPhone, iPad etc.' 
This is the companion to let's extend the lifespan of our existing and tired devices, iPhone, iPad by making them foldable. 
99.9% of iPhone, iPad users want a foldable device, as much as they want a book light and electric toothbrush added to their Apple devices. 

Apple is turning out more and more like Google. Investing their assets in failed products and features: Vision Pro; Robotics; Foldable, AR Glasses, Robotic Desk Lamp which they then promptly proceed to cancel like the Apple Car. Or the latest, Apple Intelligence with multiple sites offering (and recommending) ways to turn it off as a time waster of little or no value. 

This is called spinning your wheels when you have nothing new and revolutionary to offer. 

My guess is that the AI Boom will crash by mid-2025 as a failed experiment in 'how to leverage trillion troves of old, rubbish data into a useful generative AI'. Forget predictive, that is not even worth mentioning at this stage it is such an crazy illusion about as realistic as Canada becoming the 51st State.