Possum-us

13485 said:

Possum-us said:

Ewww never simp for Giant Corporations no matter how much you enjoy a product of theirs. They are not your friends nor do you have to follow the narratives they choose to push. They are not working in your best interest. The priority is always them over you in time of need.

I think you miss understand "planned obsolescence". You talking like a serf which is alarming.

I am on Appleinsider, even though Apple is a giant cooperation I like Apple over many other choices out there.
But non of them are ever perfect, and in this consumer relationship I would never speak to the benifits that go against mine.
They have no clue or care about me and will do what makes their margins wider before ever thinking to adopt the "true needs" of the customer.
This situation always has this huge imbalance.

 The only thing we have in this form is a minute ability to drive narrative and point out directions you feel are sus and go against past assertions.

In this example it has nothing to do with something you can get somewhere else it is what is exclusive to Apple and what this can signify (and does signify) because of Apples past. 

The touchID is said to not work because of the OS version. The idea of the T2chip was to provide this secure enclave.
This was later integrated in there ARM chips and has been functional through out the change (intel and ARM).

This removal will work its way into "everything" this chip does if they convince people it is the OS, major changes, while the root hardware needed is the same.

The more comfortable they feel blaming it on something else the more they remove. ie the T2 chip was needed to stream 4k video or other media related services.
Well this old intel hardware with the same screens they use in current gen hardware will not be viable

Slowly removing the core "convenience" and usability to not "force" but genrally push you to adopt something new you don't honestly need for the function.

You look at what apple removes as well from there software side and being able to downgrade OS. There are features that really are not tide to anything innately different between OSes. There is more because of the new architectures but the practice has always happened far before the change.

Also crazy as it is to say after what I said

I think Apple does the best job of this in the system they partake in, they always give just enough. ie the lesser evil towards my goals.

But like I said I am not going to do what you did and prop narratives they want, that is ridiculous


 

I try to avoid being the grammar police, because this site has many posters for whom English is not a native language. But if you could just take a few minutes and actually compose sentences, spell and not use homophones (words that sound alike but have different meanings, such as "tide" instead of "tied") instead of the correct word, it would make reading your posts a little less of a chore. I'm sure you can, and we look forward to it.

Back to your post: Almost everyone who posts here, including the poster you're replying to, knows what corporations are and are not, and they don't "miss understand" planned obsolescence. Since nothing lasts forever, everything has a limited lifespan, known to the manufacturer and usually to the customer as well. A shovel has planned obsolescence. 

Yeah, that’s true. There are a lot of ESL individuals here who might not understand context and could confuse their understanding of a sentence, e.g., 'not tied to anything' vs. 'not tide to anything.' ...Also, many people on the spectrum might hyper-focus on grammar mistakes like 'generally' vs. 'genrally' or 'benefits' vs. 'benifits,' which can make their reading feel more of a chore.

But, back to your post: I don’t think you understand 'planned obsolescence' in this situation. The nature of obsolescence in your shovel example is different. There is an important distinction to be made between the two. A shovel is a simple tool with a straightforward function, and its obsolescence usually comes from wear and tear rather than the deliberate removal of features or functions. In contrast, software and hardware often involve planned obsolescence, where features can be intentionally disabled or removed to encourage upgrades or new purchases, i.e., shelf life. This misunderstanding is why I made my initial observation.

If you are okay with manufacturers determining 'shelf life' without the 'wear and tear' of your example to compel you to upgrade, I see that as a problem.

Also, as a consumer (if you are not a manufacturer), it is not worth your time or in your best interest to act as the grammar police, while defending the manufacturer through superficially white-knighting for social brownie points. It distracts from the main point and relies on broad, reactionary generalizations.

Stabitha_Christie said:

Possum-us said:

What features are missing when using the intel macs?

Looks like Apple is feeling comfortable making even more brazen planned Stabitha_Christie said:

Possum-us said:

What features are missing when using the intel macs?

Looks like Apple is feeling comfortable making even more brazen planned obsolescence moves with their intel culling process.
Less plausible deniability and more straight up. I guess they figure not enough people to make noise to care.

What exactly was made obsolete?

 moves with their intel culling process.
Less plausible deniability and more straight up. I guess they figure not enough people to make noise to care.

What exactly was made obsolete?

Keywords; "Planned obsolescence" + "culling"

I don't understand your question. I hope your not being smug.

If you think about it. Are your plans an involuntary movement that give you the singular result you wanted?
Most "plans" require multiple steps and when "planning"、especially if a giant corporations like Apple look to "cull" a products based on there core customer appeal.

It started with Graphic Hardware understanding and Metal development. I think now the T2 and customers understanding of how the secure enclave works (or what is needed for it)
 
What I can see them doing is "testing" peoples awareness on low risk products.
Things that provoke the same reaction I see a few people already posted.

Well there is "this"

It is not about the keyboard.

Every product Apple developed has another products future "feature" being developed on it. 
They think things our well and don't impliment them until they get a good mindshare of how they expect you to use it.
It is one of the reason I like Apple because it minimizes diversion, and creates better cohesion between products (hardware + software)

But they are a Business and they still do shady things. 
   

cougarmeat said:

Seems like all you mentioned was the cosmetics.  A wire is a wire. Perhaps you can add a bit about why the electrons like the Thunderbolt 5 wire more than the Thunderbolt 4 wire. What is it - not the external braid or the plastic or molded cover on the plug - that makes the electrons travel faster (trick question)? And why does that process cost $70?

It would be nice if Intel could improve it’s messaging on Thunderbolt to better highlight its unique benefits of it for these types of sites, such as higher speeds, multi-protocol support (PCIe and DisplayPort), and high power delivery. Thunderbolt cables handle significant data loads by connecting directly to PCIe lanes and require small chips at each end for signal management. Passive Thunderbolt cables can experience speed degradation beyond about 0.8 to 1 meter, which is why active cables—with embedded electronics for signal boosting—are needed for longer distances to maintain full performance. It is more robust than USB with tighter regulations needed to be met to get the most out of it.

Stuff like this is good I think.

omasou said:

Passive cables like this one are limited to 1M. ..."connectors and passive cables up to 1 meter.'...

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-introduces-thunderbolt-5-standard.html#gs.hple80

You can see the internals/xray of some Thunderbolt cables on cultofmac
https://www.cultofmac.com/news/apple-thunderbolt-4-cable-comparison-amazon-usb-c


Personally, I found you need to do a little research and trust the Thunderbolt cable manufacturer you buy from or you will get less than adequate results.

I think the lack of “what to purchase” info and the issues people had during the EGPU boom really put a sour taste in peoples mouths regarding TB’s value.
I loved using thunderbolt with Macs, it has been so much more reliable with than USB with HighData and Compute operations. 
It basically acts as a native/internal connection.

charlesn said:

DAalseth said:

Possum-us said:

What features are missing when using the intel macs?

Looks like Apple is feeling comfortable making even more brazen planned obsolescence moves with their intel culling process.
Less plausible deniability and more straight up. I guess they figure not enough people to make noise to care.

Exactly right. This is just a money grab.

Explain the "money grab" here. If you have an Intel Mac with an existing Magic Keyboard/Trackpad/Mouse, you're just going to keep it since these "new" versions offer nothing new beyond the USB-C port. If you want a Magic accessory, but don't currently own one. you'll buy one of the Lightning versions that will likely be floating around in the marketplace for god knows how long. Neither of these scenarios obsoletes your Intel Mac in any way, nor do they force you to upgrade to an Apple Silicon Mac, and you'll get EXACTLY what the new USB-C Magic accessories offer. If anything, Apple is leaving cash on the table here since Intel Mac owners who might consider buying the new USB-C accessories just for the sake of cable simplicity aren't going to do that. 

As far as obsolescence for Intel Macs, that is absolutely going to continue to what should be no one's surprise since Apple development is focused on a chip with a completely different architecture. This was clear from when M1 dropped 3 years ago. And when you look at the insane price/performance ratio that the new M4 Mac Minis offer--machines that "obsolete" the current lineup of more premium Macs like Studio and Pro that costs thousands of dollars more--there's no question that Apple made the right decision when it parted ways with Intel. 

Ewww never simp for Giant Corporations no matter how much you enjoy a product of theirs. They are not your friends nor do you have to follow the narratives they choose to push. They are not working in your best interest. The priority is always them over you in time of need.

I think you miss understand "planned obsolescence". You talking like a serf which is alarming.

I am on Appleinsider, even though Apple is a giant cooperation I like Apple over many other choices out there.
But non of them are ever perfect, and in this consumer relationship I would never speak to the benifits that go against mine.
They have no clue or care about me and will do what makes their margins wider before ever thinking to adopt the "true needs" of the customer.
This situation always has this huge imbalance.

 The only thing we have in this form is a minute ability to drive narrative and point out directions you feel are sus and go against past assertions.

In this example it has nothing to do with something you can get somewhere else it is what is exclusive to Apple and what this can signify (and does signify) because of Apples past. 

The touchID is said to not work because of the OS version. The idea of the T2chip was to provide this secure enclave.
This was later integrated in there ARM chips and has been functional through out the change (intel and ARM).

This removal will work its way into "everything" this chip does if they convince people it is the OS, major changes, while the root hardware needed is the same.

The more comfortable they feel blaming it on something else the more they remove. ie the T2 chip was needed to stream 4k video or other media related services.
Well this old intel hardware with the same screens they use in current gen hardware will not be viable

Slowly removing the core "convenience" and usability to not "force" but genrally push you to adopt something new you don't honestly need for the function.

You look at what apple removes as well from there software side and being able to downgrade OS. There are features that really are not tide to anything innately different between OSes. There is more because of the new architectures but the practice has always happened far before the change.

Also crazy as it is to say after what I said

I think Apple does the best job of this in the system they partake in, they always give just enough. ie the lesser evil towards my goals.

But like I said I am not going to do what you did and prop narratives they want, that is ridiculous