gatorguy

igorsky said:

bala1234 said:

Call me dumb but I am not getting the 'obvious' part here! Somebody who knows, care to explain?

It’s already been announced by Apple. This is only a self-serving announcement by Google designed to boost their own product in, what they view as, their competition against iMessage. 

davidw said:

VictorMortimer said:

lam92103 said:

And why should I care? No one uses RCS. 

Don't they?

I mean, isn't it the default on Android, with a fallback to SMS like on the iPhone?

I honestly don't know.  I'm trying to get my Android friends to use Signal instead of text messages, but it's hard to convince them.

No. RCS is not the "default" on Android. Even though every Android phone is capable of RCS (with E2EE), it is disabled in Google Messages by default. 

davidw said:

gatorguy said:

jfreedle2 said:

Just more proof that Google does spy on everyone and cannot be trusted.

In case you're interested in facts more than FUD...
Google cannot see the contents of any RCS Google Messages. They are encrypted end-to-end, from your device which encrypts them, to the receiver's phone, where they are decrypted. It is equally as secure and private as iMessage...

If you are comfortable with others potentially being able to read your RCS messages sent from your iPhone, just as they can read SMS messages now, then it won't matter if the GSMA ever makes encryption part of the standard.  ... while iPhone owners cannot be assured of RCS privacy and security, Google Messages users will be. That is unless an iPhone user enters that conversation and breaks the security with Apple's RCS. ...they will likely have green bubbles as default, the same as the insecure fallback SMS now has, while blue is reserved for Google's encrypted and secure communications.

That is FUD. (So you say, but where specifically? I can't find it...)
  Google can see the contents of any RCS messages where the receiver is not using Google Messages or do not have RCS enabled...(Well duh, then it wouldn't be Google Messages RCS would it?).
  RCS will default to SMS in these cases (Oh, so not using Google Messages RCS? Double-Duh).
  Google can also read RCS messages in a group chat if anyone in the group is not using Google Messages with RCS enabled (Yup, for instance when an Apple RCS user or any other insecure protocol will join the conversation as I pointed out?).
  It's no different than than the chat on iMessage.  (TRIPLE-Duh!)
  Not every Android users wants to use Google Messages and Google messages is the only way to send and receive RCS with E2EE. (OMG, like not every Apple user outside of the US wants to use iMessage and that's the only way to get Apple's E2EE message security??)

AppleInsider said:

After years of campaigning from Google, Apple announced in November that RCS messaging will be arriving on the iPhone in 2024. While Apple hasn't advised of when that would be, it seems the most opportune time would be in iOS 18.

Support for the RCS Universal Profile published by the GSM Association will "offer a better interoperability experience when compared to SMS or MMS," Apple said in a statement.

RCS support for iMessage is probably going to happen in iOS 18.

While good news for text users, the announcement isn't exactly declaring cut-and-dry support. Apple won't be adopting proprietary extensions to its implementation, such as Google's one that adds end-to-end encryption, with it preferring to work with GSMA to add encryption to the main profile itself.

For Android users who hope RCS will put blue iMessage text bubble snobbery to an end, they're out of luck. Apple will still continue to use blue bubbles for iPhone users and green for Android, even under RCS.

danox said:

gatorguy said:

jfreedle2 said:

Just more proof that Google does spy on everyone and cannot be trusted.

In case you're interested in facts more than FUD...
Google cannot see the contents of any RCS Google Messages. They are encrypted end-to-end, from your device which encrypts them, to the receiver's phone, where they are decrypted. It is equally as secure and private as iMessage, in one way even more so.  A the very worst they might be able to log metadata, same as Apple can, hardly the same as seeing the contents of a message

If you are comfortable with others potentially being able to read your RCS messages sent from your iPhone, just as they can read SMS messages now, then it won't matter if the GSMA ever makes encryption part of the standard, and they might not. They've had years to do so and have ignored it despite Google's pushing them to add it. It's not in the interests of the carriers to do so, and they are the ones heading up the RCS standard. 

Hoovering is Google and Meta middle name.......