ericthehalfbee
About
- Username
- ericthehalfbee
- Joined
- Visits
- 210
- Last Active
- Roles
- member
- Points
- 9,787
- Badges
- 2
- Posts
- 4,499
Reactions
-
Apple drops employment lawsuit against ex-chip architect
-
Apple triumphant in Epic Games 'Fortnite' antitrust appeal
cropr said:ericthehalfbee said:
What I expect to happen in the EU is numerous criminals and shady developers are going to infest iPhones with malware and privacy invading features. Users will be screaming at Apple (who else will they blame) and Apple will sue the EU for instituting a law that directly caused harm to iPhone users. Unlike the imaginary harm the EU is trying to prevent by forcing 3rd party stores.I don't expect that at all. There will be a few app stores that are run by larger companies (e.g. HW + SW vendors, banks, telecom operators...) that can established some trust. It might look strange for Americans, but on average Europeans trust their bank more than Apple. I can call/visit my bank manager but I cannot call/visit my Apple manager, which is a crucial element in building a trustful relation.There will be a few dodgy app stores that try to lure the customer, but that no normal person will ever use.To make the comparison: no normal person does side load apps from the Google Play store. And those who do, don't scream at Google. And as a consequence Google does not sue the EU.But there is major risk. If people are unaware that they install an app from a phishing app store, this could create real damage. Of course the implementation details (can Apple impose rules?) will be relevant.Whether there are a few good stores is irrelevant. It will only take a few bad stores/Apps to show that this is a terrible idea. And when someone who doesn’t use 3rd party stores has their personal information shared without their knowledge (as opposed to the myth propagated by supporters of side loading who lie and say it won’t affect you if you never side load) there will be enough for a few lawsuits to go around.
You cant compare Google Play to The App Store. Years ago people used to use 3rd party stores. The mantra of the Android user was “I like the freedom of using any store I want”. Later that changed to “You need to be careful when side loading”. Now it’s “Stick to Google Play and you’ll be safe.” iPhone users have nothing to compare to in terms of them or their friends getting burned by a dodgy App. They’ll still think because they have an iPhone they’re safe.
When Facebook moves to a 3rd party store and it’s the only place you can get it (along with WhatsApp, Messenger, Instagram and others) people will have no choice but to side load or give up Apps they like to use.
It’s also irrelevant that people don’t “scream at Google” when something goes wrong. Users do hold Apple responsible even for idiotic things that are their fault (remember kids charging up in-App purchases and Apple getting sued for it?). Another area where you can’t compare Apple to Google.
The companies that want side loading (like Epic) are opposed to any rules or checks by Apple. Epic even thinks a warning before allowing side loading in Android is anticompetitive and designed/worded to scare people away from side loading. They want unfettered access to the iPhone without any intervention from Apple (like App certificates or any sort of rule checking).
Complete scumbags and I’m ecstatic epic lost in court. -
Apple triumphant in Epic Games 'Fortnite' antitrust appeal
lkrupp said:Government regulations being proposed will make this ‘victory’ moot. So maybe Epic can open its own app store in the EU but not in the U.S. ? How ill that be handled?This will kill any proposed legislation in the US. Nobody is going to try and pass a law that overrides the rulings of two courts. I think they were waiting for this outcome before moving on, and now any proposed bills will be shelved.
As to allowing a separate store in the EU it will be simple. Depending on the country you live you’ll get a slightly different version of iOS.
What I expect to happen in the EU is numerous criminals and shady developers are going to infest iPhones with malware and privacy invading features. Users will be screaming at Apple (who else will they blame) and Apple will sue the EU for instituting a law that directly caused harm to iPhone users. Unlike the imaginary harm the EU is trying to prevent by forcing 3rd party stores.
Excuse me while go troll Epic and the Coalition for App Fairness over this loss. 😉 -
Apple expected to lay iOS 17 sideloading groundwork at WWDC 2023
Forgot to add.
I doubt Apple would talk about sideloading at WWDC. WWDC is an event for developers to learn about new frameworks to help improve their Apps and add new features. Why would Apple waste valuable time on something that will have a detrimental affect on users?
if Apple eventually allows sideloading they’ll probably have a separate event (or more likely some videos) to explain how it works. Nothing more, nothing less. They’ll do the bare minimum to comply with the EU. -
Apple expected to lay iOS 17 sideloading groundwork at WWDC 2023
gatorguy said:DAalseth said:Are they a significant threat to security?
Yes, without question.
Will they be forced through?
Yes, without question.
Will Apple be blamed for the resulting system damage, data loss, ransomeware attacks, and other problems?
Yes, without question.
Heck, it won't even noticeably affect Apple revenue from their App Store in case you're worried that Apple won't continue to get ever richer.
So much handwringing over the nothing pie.Clearly you’re not a developer. And your personal anecdotes of not having malware doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or isn’t a problem.
As a developer I can think of numerous ways to compromise a users privacy if I don’t have to follow Apple Guidelines on their App Store. I can also think of ways to easily compromise privacy of users who never side load Apps and stick only to The App Store.