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If you want to evaluate someone on this level, never use public speaking as a model.

Most of what they say is the product of input from multiple parties or acutely tuned to the listener.

Yesterday it was claimed that the first official 5G 'call' was made over existing 4G infrastructure with a top speed of 2.09Gb/s. Latency was 10 milliseconds.

Huawei and Vodafone carried out the real world demonstration in a connection between Barcelona and Castelldefels (Spain). The entire mobile telecommunications industry is converging on Barcelona for MWC2018.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201802/21/WS5a8cc8dca3106e7dcc13d2c4.html

This follows wider testing in last year in Korea

http://www.huawei.com/en/press-events/news/2017/11/Huawei-LGU-World-First-Commercial-5G

If there is evidence. Present it.

It really is as simple as that.

AT&T had the deal with Huawei signed. Everything that has been rumoured so far points to them being pressured out of the agreement. Some say Verizon was on board too.

Someone needs to wake up to the fact that Huawei technology underpins huge swathes of the world's telecommunications infrastructure and no one bats an eyelid (save for a select few). They have laid thousands upon thousands of kilometres in undersea telecommunications cables and will be a major player in 5G.

If they are up to no good they have absolutely everything they ever created to lose - forever. Would it be worth it? I can't see how.

We are possibly just weeks away from the release of the P20. If the rumours are true I bet there are more than a few congressional committee members who haven't slept for weeks. Imagine a phone capable of taking sub millimetre-precision 3D images and, in their minds at least, sending those images (of US faces no less!) Back to Huawei HQ (and then onto the Chinese government). I doubt that Huawei could convince them it simply isn't true.

The Chinese government is something else. Are they spying? Very probably. The British too.

The US government? Is it spying? Definitely. 

We already know. It got its cover blown, wait for it, spying on Huawei! And we know this thanks to leaks from its own workers.

It's almost comical.

This stinks of protectionism and could turn nasty if we enter a tit-for-tat situation because consumers lose.

It seems evidence is no longer needed before curtailing commerce.

If the Chinese government were to put pressure on Tencent to drop iOS support, Apple would reel. What if they proposed exactly what the US government is doing and started singling out companies simply because they don't trust them?

It's quite foolish. This action will do nothing to reduce any risks because the risks are elsewhere. Data flows through Huawei infrastructure worldwide and it includes data from US citizens. Huawei has even handled US communication infrastructure. 

The UK government has a dedicated department with deep access to Huawei equipment. It has never found anything strange. Maybe there is nothing strange to be seen and if someone has seen something, it might be an idea to put it on the table for once and for all because without any real evidence this kind of behaviour simply looks like protectionism.

fallenjt said:

Here we go. Android comes out at full force to copy. Nothing new.
http://bgr.com/2017/11/28/iphone-x-animoji-on-android-huawei-honor/

Huawei has been using 3D depth sensing for years. It was one of the first major companies to use Altek 3D depth sensing technology (Altek just updated its technology at this year's CES). 

Huawei was also using facial recognition technology before Apple and intertwining AI into the mix.

The only difference is that they chose not to bag it up into a full blown 'FaceID' at the same time as Apple. That doesn't mean they weren't already working on their own solution.

You only have to look on these forums to find people claiming that FaceID was two years ahead of the competition. Really? If that were the case, how was Huawei able to not only  reveal their own solution in November last year but to have an Honor engineer casually demoing it in person to anyone with an interest in learning about it?

How were they able to put together a solution with ten times the resolution of FaceID and improve on it?

The most logical thinking is that, for varying reasons, Apple simply beat them out of the gate and they felt the need to take the wraps off their plans earlier than expected.

The reasons could be cost, hardware and/or software with software being the most probable part.

We already know that the Huawei 3D scanning precision will be sub millimeter, for example, and one particular use of that could be for the creation of very lifelike avatars for gaming etc.

Emojis? We went from emojis to animated Gifs. It doesn't take a genius to foresee that more advanced animated emojis would appear at some point or that the quality of them would also increase when the technical aspects improved (hence tongue recognition in the Huawei solution and something that Apple will almost certainly add at some point). We also know that the Huawei solution will be able to override screen rotation when a user is looking at the screen while laying down, for example.

Just like it didn't take a genius to foresee that Apple would embed a QI reader in the camera app. Something that Huawei did years ago. Should I say Apple copied someone, or is it simply a logical move?

The article clearly states that companies leapfrog each other which is definitely the case nowadays. Yes, call it copying if you really insist but if you do, be aware that it would be applicable to everybody, including Apple.

My take on this is it really boils down to how solutions work. FaceID depends on software and the NPU and so far is working as planned.

There are already cases of the 'one in a million' match cropping up and that's why FaceID cannot be truly evaluated until it's been in use for many, many months but I'm sure that future hardware/software advances will be able to improve on things.

The Huawei solution will bring that hardware improvement along with 3D object modelling etc but the real proof will be in how it works. The software behind the solution and that is to be seen.

So, to sum up. If they really were 'copying' in the sense you suggest, we would never have seen that Honor engineer (from Huawei's sub brand) with  a running prototype just weeks after Apple announced the iPhone X, much less with such a powerful feature set and much less, the possibility of it actually appearing on a phone next month!

This news made it into an editorial of a Spanish national daily this morning (el País) which was critical of the protectionist stance the US government is taking. It said imported washing machines were also affected and that China would not take it laying down.

With the recent breakthrough with magnesium in solar cell efficiency, I thought prices would start coming down in the not too distant future.