ronn

The fine is a joke, thus the Democratic members opposition. From The NY Times:

But none of the conditions in the settlement will impose strict limitations on Facebook’s ability to collect and share data with third parties. And that decision appeared to help split the five-member commission. The 3-to-2 vote, taken in secret this week, drew the dissent of the two Democrats on the commission because they sought stricter limits on the company, the people said.

There were calls for Zuckerberg to be personally liable given his role at the company and because a similar settlement in 2011 did nothing to curb Facebook’s bad behavior. Especially with no additional oversight. Suck lied to members of Congress when he appeared before them. The first poster is right: the fine is a fraction of what it should be 

sflocal said:

ronn said:

davgreg said:

Not a firearm owner, NRA member or any of that, but if an armed guard dropped one of these “young men” and the video was distributed widely in glorious full color 4K HDR, this nonsense would come to a screeching halt.

The kind of people who commit such brazen acts are taking advantage of the society they live in and apparently do not contribute to in any valuable way. Arm the guards, put a man trap in at the entrance and tell the guards to go for a head shot if need be.

Enoigh already. Eventually, someone will get hurt because of these “young men”.

No company would employ armed guards as a response. They are covered by insurance and the likelihood of customers getting hurt increases with firearms. Apple would suffer tremendously if a non-involved customer or bystander was hurt or killed as a result of the actions by their armed guards. I can imagine the headlines.

California needs to prosecute these robbers and any networks that use them to smash and grab.

The flagship store in San Francisco has armed police officers at the front entrance.  Doesn't seem to bother anyone.

From what I remember, San Francisco has had a special protection unit for ages. Apple (and other tenants?) in particular areas that recently renovated/updated may have been required to employ this special police force that are trained by SFPD, which also has oversight over the force. It was all part of the prolonged negotiations between the city and Apple which included the ridiculousness over the decrepit fountain in the way of Apple's plan renovations.

libertyandfree said:

ronn said:

libertyandfree said:

"It'll be terrible from a housing perspective. We have not planned ahead for that," Mai Thi Nyguen, a professor of city and regional planning at the University of North Carolina, told U.S. News.  This guy is stuck on stupid.

FYI, it's interesting the article says the median house price has increased by 50% over last 5 years but I can tell the price of a given house (not a median) has increased maybe 20% over that same period - I know because I live there and you can check Zillow as well.  The RTP area has very affordable housing and does anyone really think Apple adding 5,000 jobs over a few years to a region of 2.1M people is a big problem?  Keep in mind the brainiacs at UNC also wanted all of us out of the suburbs and back into the city because we were ruining the environment.  Ever been to Raleigh and RTP, there are forests everywhere.    

It doesn't help your point of view when you can't even get the gender of Nguyen right. She's a specialist in Housing and Community Development that lives in works in North Carolina. And as another poster already wrote, she doesn't so much oppose the Apple campus; she's really advocating that the state takes care to accommodate the needs an influx of workers will require -- it doesn't matter if it's 5K or 20K, there will be an impact. This is especially true for infrastructure and the potentially negative outcome for residents, current and future.

edited to correct professor Nguyen's name.

The potential addition of Apple is a nonfactor for the Triangle area since we have been dealing with a constant influx of people for 3+ decades just fine.  Ask why this is a problem now and notice the title of the article is "opposition to new Apple campus emerges in North Carolina Research Triangle".  The opposition only originates from the UNC crowd and my point is these people are anti-growth no matter what it is, I have been hearing this same song from the UNC crowd for years on end.  Of course, we will manage the growth, that is obvious and not even a question for the people of the area.  I suppose Prof. Nyguen would be more pleased if the Raleigh area was more like Detroit.  

The headline gets it wrong. Again, Nguyen and others stress the state and local governments need to be prepared for such an influx of projects and the resulting population spikes. Even without Apple and Amazon, the area will see more than 20K jobs added this year alone.

The area currently cannot keep up with the influx of jobs and associated needs of all those people, and has made it harder for residents and local governments in the area. This has been an ongoing problem for several years. With Apple possibly adding 10-20K jobs and Amazon ~50K should they locate their HQ2 there (not to mention there are others adding locations and jobs at the same time), there needs to be adequate planning.

With the legislature giving out tax breaks for up to 30 years, where will the financing come from for the necessary infrastructure? Roads, transportation, schools, hospitals, etc. won't pay for itself. Especially since they killed light rail as an option, meaning there will be no Federal grant matching. Taxpayers are not keen on having their taxes raised to pay for infrastructure while these rich corps are being catered to and having their taxes lowered, resulting in higher costs all over the place.

libertyandfree said:

"It'll be terrible from a housing perspective. We have not planned ahead for that," Mai Thi Nyguen, a professor of city and regional planning at the University of North Carolina, told U.S. News.  This guy is stuck on stupid.

FYI, it's interesting the article says the median house price has increased by 50% over last 5 years but I can tell the price of a given house (not a median) has increased maybe 20% over that same period - I know because I live there and you can check Zillow as well.  The RTP area has very affordable housing and does anyone really think Apple adding 5,000 jobs over a few years to a region of 2.1M people is a big problem?  Keep in mind the brainiacs at UNC also wanted all of us out of the suburbs and back into the city because we were ruining the environment.  Ever been to Raleigh and RTP, there are forests everywhere.    

It doesn't help your point of view when you can't even get the gender of Nguyen right. She's a specialist in Housing and Community Development that lives in works in North Carolina. And as another poster already wrote, she doesn't so much oppose the Apple campus; she's really advocating that the state takes care to accommodate the needs an influx of workers will require -- it doesn't matter if it's 5K or 20K, there will be an impact. This is especially true for infrastructure and the potentially negative outcome for residents, current and future.

edited to correct professor Nguyen's name.