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tophatnosocks said:

perfect, there was no doubt the fool that runs apple(subreddit) which is not real apple, was going to cave in the first place.

I'm not happy about losing Apollo, but things change, we move on. 

You simply do not get to control a platform you do not own, and are only a moderator at.  I personally think the Mods that shut down are pathetic little babies.

That's before asking why?  Moderators that do not make a thing and run a subreddit?  

Either they were making $$ on the third party apps, (real reason so mad?) or they got some sad lives man.  LOL 

You don't believe in peacefully protesting to see change?

I think the Reddit CEO/leadership handling of this has been pathetic and childish. If they were compassionate, they would have found a middle-ground solution, instead of standing firm like a bully in the playground.

Does Reddit have a right to operate a healthy business, which means not giving away their goods to app developers that are making a profit? Absolutely! That's not the issue here.

The protest has always been about offering *reasonable* API fees AND a *reasonable* timeframe to adjust to the changes. Reddit offered neither of those.

JMaille said:

I wonder if anyone at Apple has been paying attention to what Reddit did recently?  How much will it cost for developers that don't use the Apple App Store to use the APIs that Apple has developed?

Exactly. This is what the decision-makers don't understand. Apple has built up a full-featured end-to-end platform that provides tremendous value to developers which they get for "free". Take away the revenue store (ie. App Store commissions) and everything changes.

iOS will need a way to know if an app came through the official App Store, or an alternative, and then allow/grant access to "cloud" features accordingly.

I believe it's possible for Apple to implement an elegant solution, and yes, it is good for competition, but the issue stands — Apple can't and won't give away their cloud services for free to developers.

Apple's business model is no longer compatible with the world. It's time for change.

Apple has been making tremendous investments into iOS and its other operating systems, and it's the App Store commission fees that pay for that. Once apps start getting distributed through alternative app stores, that revenue disappears.

Presently, iCloud offers a lot of value to developers, such as the ability to sync data across devices for a given app. If a developer chooses to distribute through an alternative app store, it's unreasonable for them to also have "free" access to the iCloud platform for their app. Who will pay for that if they aren't?

So now developers will implement their own solutions/servers to do what iCloud magically does for them, and along with that will come increased vulnerabilities and risks to users.

Regarding the 30%, I've always gone to bat for Apple, but now I think it's time for them to seriously reconsider the rates. For digital goods (eg. game credits, etc.), Apple should NOT be collecting 30% of EVERY transaction! If I spend $4.00 in a game, why does Apple deserve $1.20 of that? Those transactions should have a much lower cut... say 5%... enough to cover credit card processing.

I fully agree with Apple charging a tax on apps sold in their store, but in-app purchases for digital goods doesn't cost Apple much of anything.

I make absolutely ZERO in-app purchases because developers are charging too much, likely because of the 30% cut going to Apple. (Yes, I know it's lower in some cases).

spock1234 said:

Hey Dorsey, Remember what you told regular Americans who didn't like what you were doing at Twitter - "If you don't like it, go build your own social media site"? Time to take your own advice. Go build your own App store, you entitled pr!ck.

Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you, but in this case, I think that Apple is wrong. They are stepping way over a line with this demand, to the point of being a brutal dictator.