melgross

Rogue01 said:

Will it be a live keynote, or another awful cringe-worthy video?  Maybe they will be apologizing for Apple Intelligence instead of trying to push out more half-baked features.  They already blundered with Siri, unless they try and do damage control and more promises of features that won't be ready with iOS 19.

I miss the days when Apple released new software and the features they previewed at WWDC were actually in the release version.  Instead all we get are 'coming soon' and then 'maybe next year'.  I stopped watching the videos because they were nothing more than reading press releases and spec sheets.

The videos are much better than the live presentations. Those tended to ramble and took much longer. Well, I remember that Apple was criticized for trying to get everything in the first release. Be more like Google and Microsoft people would say, and release features when they’re ready and don’t rush them out for an announcement.  Give me a break!

Xed said:

melgross said:

avon b7 said:

melgross said:

avon b7 said:

melgross said:

avon b7 said:

foregoneconclusion said:

avon b7 said: Folding phones have a huge selling point: the folding part. It's safe to say 100% of folding phones are sold on that feature. 

But that doesn't mean customers consider the folding part to be without flaws. And saying folding is a "huge" selling point is contradicted by the actual sales of folding phones.

No one is saying there are no flaws. 

The folding aspect is huge for the people who buy folding phones. It's the number one reason for the sale. How many units are sold is not relevant. 

People most certainly don't buy iPhones for Siri and Apple Intelligence is far from where it needs to be at the moment. 

The number of sales is very relevant. It’s always relevant. If they don’t sell enough, they can’t lay all of the costs, which are huge. They may be selling the phones at a loss. Nobody outside of the companies involved know the answer to that.

Re-read for context. The numbers are irrevelant to why people buy folding phones: because of the folding aspect.

In terms of profitability, I know of at least one phone that was sold at a loss. 

That was due to screen costs but necessary to move the technology forward.

There is no way that five years and multiple models from numerous manufacturers are resulting in folding phones being sold at a loss

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/12/foldable-phones-more-profitable.html ;

Not that costs are relevant to the point I was responding to either. 

Consumers don't care about how much it cost to make a product. They care about the sale price.

That said, high pricing is a limiting factor in any market and Huawei is rumoured to be releasing an 'affordable' folding phone soon. Perhaps even this month. 

Since folding phones are a tiny percentage of sales for any of these manufacturers, losses wouldn’t be surprising. They are more of a prestige product than a practical, money making one. Most Android manufacturers barely make any profit as it is, with Apple and Samsung sucking mist of it up.

Literally the first paragraph of the article I linked to:

"Foldable smartphones are more profitable than conventional candy bar smartphones, independent research from Japanese firm Fomalhaut Techno Solutions has revealed."

No matter the size of the market, a more profitable phone is preferable to a less profitable one. And let's not forget we are talking about millions of phones. 

I doubt that’s true. I don’t know who these people are. A lot of these firms name statements like that, but are wrong. Millions of phones isn’t a lot. Until you get into tens of millions, it’s the tail meaning the dog.

You have to think that if they really were more profitable per device or as a product category, then why would Apple be leaving money on the table? If what Avon says is true then Apple is really shitty company that will likely fold within weeks.

Avon is an Apple hater. He favors Chinese companies. He’ll throw a bone to Apple once in a while to show that he’s neutral,  ut it’s been pretty obvious over the years that he’s not. I don’t recall anything he’s ever said that goes against Huawei, for example, just defense.

tht said:

TigerWilliams said:

Are there any real world tests of how well Apples C1 modem does in establishing and maintaining a connection in areas with spotty coverage, vs a Qualcomm modem ?

It’s doubtful that any user end tests are reliable, or, that the those anecdotes can be applied everywhere. Apple will have actual measured performance data where they have control of both a “cellular tower” model and the phone, but obviously that’s going to be proprietary data. 

I repeat, any end user test is unreliable if they don’t have control of the tower.

Some reviewers and vloggers have measured bandwidth and power consumption. For those, I think all you can say is that it is about the same iPhone 16, 16 Pro models. Who knows if those tests were actually using the same bands across phones. 

People don’t remember that Intel’s modem was about as good as Qualcomm’s modem except in edge cases where Qualcomm’s would get weaker to where it dropped. Intel’s would be about the same but would just drop. That was about the only difference. But it was hyped by “reviewer’s” as being very important, when it was a minor deficiency. Apple dropped it because of the bad publicity. I never found it to be a problem in my iPhone at the time.

i imagine that Apple is very recognizant of that and wouldn’t have released this one if they weren’t confident that performance was pretty much equal to Qualcomm’s. And from Qualcomm’s statements over the last two years of this, they seem to be expressing that Apple’s modems will be competitive. That’s a pretty neutral stance.

Folks, this is the air. It’s a much cheaper tablet than the pro. What do you expect, a product with equal specs to a much more expensive model? This is a pretty good chip, with a good performance increase over the last model. Stop whining!

Trump was the one who wanted Tick Tock banned in the first place. Now, he wants it because he thinks the viewers will want to see HIM on it. What a hypocrite.