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Soli said:

PabloTresUnoSeis said:

Not sure why you'd stream in a browser if you're on a Mac when you can download and use Spotify Mac app.

Until your post I didn't even know there was a Spotify app. I just used Chrome, my backup browser, because when I bring it up in Safari it keeps telling me I need Flash installed. Installing...

The Spotify app works great. I know there have been a ton of complaints in the past about the Mac app running slow, but I've never had that issue.

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baconstang said:

Oh, and then there's this...http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/busted-equifax-forces-hacked-customers-to-waive-right-to-sue-in-exchange-for-using-its-credit-service/  

That's even if you just ask them if you were hacked!

I'm not seeing that. I put in my surname, the last 6 of my SSN, and clicked the box to prove I'm not a robot. I don't recall agreeing to anything else.

It's there. You agree to waive your rights using the website. When you go to the site to check if you were affected, there is terms of service section on the bottom. When you click on the terms of service, read section 4. 

https://www.equifaxsecurity2017.com/potential-impact/

I looked it over but I’m not seeing what you say exists. Can you not simply copy the sentence or paragraph that stated that says my rights are waived by simply “using the website” without even signing up for the service or agreeing to their terms of service? Can you also explain how “using the website” legally binds you to anything?

It says this right at the top:

What are the Terms of Use for Equifax?

Below you will find our Product Terms of Use and the Site Terms of Use when using the Equifax website. You can also review our Privacy Policy, which provides information regarding our handling of any personal information that you may provide to us.

On section 4, it says this:

AGREEMENT TO RESOLVE ALL DISPUTES BY BINDING INDIVIDUAL ARBITRATION. PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE SECTION CAREFULLY BECAUSE IT AFFECTS YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS BY REQUIRING ARBITRATION OF DISPUTES (EXCEPT AS SET FORTH BELOW) AND A WAIVER OF THE ABILITY TO BRING OR PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION, CLASS ARBITRATION, OR OTHER REPRESENTATIVE ACTION. ARBITRATION PROVIDES A QUICK AND COST EFFECTIVE MECHANISM FOR RESOLVING DISPUTES, BUT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT IT ALSO LIMITS YOUR RIGHTS TO DISCOVERY AND APPEAL.

I don't see how this would hold up in court if you are just simply checking to see if you were affected by the data breach. Signing up for the service, that could hold up in court. 

Where does it say this? Why can’t you simply quote the sentence that says “using the website” protects them from being sued even without ever agreeing to their terms of service?

It doesn't say that flat out but that's what it means reading the terms. You are agreeing to the terms of the website by using it. Terms of service on websites are enforceable. You technically don't have to agree to anything either. Legally enforcing the terms is another issue though. 

Again, you still haven’t shown me any information that details what you claim. You said it’s posted at the top and posted something below which I can see nothing that claims I can’t use them for having even read the terms of agreement, since that’s located on their website.

if this is so clear cut to you why can’t you detail any sentence that says I can’t sue them for “using the website”? What I read is that if I sign up for their service and agree to their terms that I also won’t be able to sue them.

Look, this is a major hack and people should be concerned, and then you have the execs selling their stock days before which needs the SEC looking into it; and then terms of service saying that by getting the free credit check service for a year that you waive your right to sue, which is boiler plate yet still a dick move to include, but let's not add gasoline to this fire.

By checking to see if you were hacked, you are essentially using a service on Equifax's website. TOS covers that and it does say you waive your right to sue. That's why not only me but other news sites are saying the same thing as well. I'm not talking about the monitoring service they are offering. I did see a lawyer chime in on Twitter and say those TOS are not enforceable and apparently he's contacted Equifax to remove that wording from the website. 

YOU MUST ACCEPT THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU WILL BE PERMITTED TO REGISTER FOR AND PURCHASE ANY PRODUCT FROM THIS SITE.

Loading a URL, or as you call it "using a website" is not accepting any terms of the agreement and not registering for anything. You can't be that fucking dense about boilerplate legalese. You should also know that legal documents that aren't clear lean toward the one that didn't write the damn document. They are fucking clear and you have still not shown a single sentence that that says that "using the website" means that you can't sue them even if you've never agreed to any terms or conditions. Do you even understand why there are checkboxes for digital agreement that won't let you proceed until they are checked? Why the fuck are you trying to make a bad situation even worse? What the fuck do you get embellishing an already concerning issue?

You are wrong. Lets set this Equifax issue aside for a moment. If you using a website that has terms of service, you are agreeing to the terms of service just by using that site. You don't actually have to click on something that you agree for it to be legally binding. In legal terms, that's called a browsewrap agreement. Of course each website which has a TOS has different terms so by using the site, you might not actually be agreeing to anything significant. Back to Equifax, I'm not trying to embellish anything. I read articles saying you could waive your rights to sue just by checking to see if you are a victim. The TOS applies to products and services. Checking to see if you are a victim could potentially mean you are using a service. Either way, Equifax has updated their site and says the terms of use does not apply to "the cybersecurity incident". 

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baconstang said:

Oh, and then there's this...http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/busted-equifax-forces-hacked-customers-to-waive-right-to-sue-in-exchange-for-using-its-credit-service/  

That's even if you just ask them if you were hacked!

I'm not seeing that. I put in my surname, the last 6 of my SSN, and clicked the box to prove I'm not a robot. I don't recall agreeing to anything else.

It's there. You agree to waive your rights using the website. When you go to the site to check if you were affected, there is terms of service section on the bottom. When you click on the terms of service, read section 4. 

https://www.equifaxsecurity2017.com/potential-impact/

baconstang said:

Oh, and then there's this...http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/busted-equifax-forces-hacked-customers-to-waive-right-to-sue-in-exchange-for-using-its-credit-service/  

That's even if you just ask them if you were hacked!

Wow, that's absurd you waive your rights just to check if your information was stolen. 

Great tips! It's unfortunate some prime viewing areas in Oregon are closed due to the forest fires burning in the state. A good free app to use with manual camera controls is the Adobe Lightroom mobile app.