tommikele

BoreDum said:

dtownwarrior said:

tommikele said:

Don't like the conditions and your employer isn't breaking the law? Have conviction and quit. Walking off the job is a very different thing than a protest. By all means protest. Walk off the job? See you at the unemployment office.

Odds are good Cher Scarlett is behind much of this.

I’m not excusing Apple, but No job is perfect.  If there’s a bad manager then they should be let go.  The simple fact that Apple is giving to HBCUs and other gender equality organizations should be a testament to their corporate image.  

Some folks really do have a victim hood mindset that every slight or miss promotions or perceive emotion is a grievance.  I don’t know this “ Cher Scarlett” lady, but according to Wiki (yeah I know) she has a history of jumping companies and filing lawsuits.  

The reality that you might not understand is that if there is a bad manager, Apple has not been taking action to let these people go. Also, there have been instances of Apple as an employer breaking the law directly through not allowing conversations of working conditions or wages to be talked about.

I did quit, sent an email talking about wages and working conditions, and my email got deleted (by the bad manager) from the store's server. Pretty illegal if you ask me.

It's a shame when individuals assume they know the scope of a situation without ever being in that situation themselves.

Although I have the feeling we don't agree on much of this and neither of us is likely to breach that divide, I do applaud you for following through on your convictions and principles.. If more did on all sides of this fence, mutual respect would grow and likely find common ground more often.

That said ...

Someone is a company deleting your email is "pretty illegal?" I don't think so unless it is destruction of evidence in a criminal, civil, EEOC, etc. action. The manager you mention had your email credentials? You made your complaint with the manager and not HR?. IT is my understanding from some in the company that Apple has a specified procedure for sending employee complaints. Not saying that delivers justice just that a system exists and did you use it? Yes, I know HR in any company can not be trusted by employees, even the higher ups. They will always screw the employee and protect the company. That their job. Fair and equitable outcomes is not at all what they do despite what they say in the handbook or whatever they call it these days. I am just not getting the full picture from what you are saying here

 Saying you can not discuss certain business matters is not illegal unless there is a labor law somewhere that gives you that right. Freedom of speech on someone else's property is a figment of the imagination. It is also my guess you signed an employment agreement or were informed what was taboo. You may not have read it in detail or seen the fine print, but these people are specialists in covering their rear ends.

What. the SEC denied was Apple's request that a"proposal concerning informing investors about NDAs be excluded from its next shareholder meeting." The proposal is about how Apple informs investor regarding their use of NDAs. The SEC did not deny a request by Apple to keep NDAs secret as AI's headline would have you believe. No such request was made by Apple nor was it made by the investors submitting the proposal.

Most people will go from the headline to the comments and AI knows that very well.

For me, only Waze is worth using if I am driving. Google maps and Apple Maps lack user input and immediate updates for all kinds of things, but in particular, accidents, debris, emergency service vehicles and yes, the location of Police. Without these things those two are essentially useless for me when driving. Walking, biking and public transport is a different story.

retrogusto said:

MplsP said:

If a company requires an employee to spend their time on something as a condition of employment then the employee should be compensated for that time. That’s not that radical of an idea.

It’s not as simple as that. It’s not a condition of employment at all, since they encourage you to avoid it entirely by not bringing stuff. From Apple’s perspective, if you choose to bring things to the workplace that you won’t/shouldn’t be using at the workplace on Apple’s dime, they’re not going to pay you for the extra time that you and they have to spend to make sure nobody is stealing anything. It’s not productive work time, it’s not a huge percentage of your work day, and it’s not like Apple is charging for the additional labor involved in monitoring this stuff on their end. It’s still better than just saying you can’t bring stuff, which would be lousy but certainly within their rights. To me a better analogy would be a company that requires you to wear a uniform, and gives you the option of changing into your uniform when you arrive since that would be more convenient for many people, but they aren’t going to pay you for the time it takes for you to get changed in and out of your uniform, if you do it at work, and not compensate those who put on their uniforms at home.

if you’re getting paid for it, you could presumably make a little extra cash or work a little less if you always brought a whole bunch of stuff that was onerous to search. 

That said, I’m all for workers getting paid fairly. If I were in Apple’s position, I would have tried to get the workers to agree to a slight across-the-board raise that would account for the average time that a worker typically spends getting searched and might not have initially realized they would be responsible for when they signed their contracts, which seems like it would be the fairest for all workers because it doesn’t disproportionately benefit those who bring stuff to work over those who don’t. 

You're wrong. It's incredibly more simple than that and it's clear every legal body that has any oversight with this agrees.

If Apple requires you to be present and participate in an activity, whether you are on the floor selling or in the bathroom farting, you get paid. It's plain and simple. If they demand something of the employees that takes their private time, you pay. Contrary to what you think, it doesn't matter whether or not it is five seconds, five minutes or five hours. 

I find it stunning that you have made a real effort to picture the employees who want to be paid for a mandatory activity as the bad guys. It's insulting.

This is the kind f stuff that will lead to a union shop. I'd love to hear how someone who has opinions like yours would like that.