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marsorry said:

Uhm, this is the opposite of a win!  The secret to great products is great competition - losing an adversary doesn't translate into a great win.  This is a pity and the battle moves squarely to Microsoft and its Surface line - who would have thought?

sirozha said:

You were forewarned, Mr. Cook, by President Elect in a private meeting at the end of 2016. Why did you wait for 2 years to form such a committee? By now, you would have been ready to move production out of China, logistics genius. 

UrbaneLegend said:

GeorgeBMac said:

The ramifications of trade wars are just beginning to appear:   Apple moving production to less efficient / less reliable sources while China is doing the same by moving away from the U.S. and embracing other, more reliable entities.

The potential winner of these things is in no way clear or obvious.
The loser:   US!  We pay!

The whole U.S. trade war philosophy is based on the assumption that the U.S. is irreplaceable in the world market -- that the U.S. is the center of the world.  unfortunately, that is no more true than the belief that the earth is the center of the solar system.  

The truth is:  The U.S. comprises less than a third of the world's GDP and is very replaceable by the other 2/3's. 
We maintain our strength by being the best -- not by being a bully.   The world won't fight us.   It will just smile and move on.

An absolutely spot on take.

The present US administration is throwing around sanctions (economic warfare) like confetti and sooner or later the US will start to get covered in the blowback. The indiscriminate use of sanctions has hurt an number of allies in the UK and Europe so where once the UK and Europe would be counted upon to be in lockstep with US policy many are asking what's the quid pro quo here?

The Chinese genie is well and truly out of the bottle thanks to the Western neoliberals who shipped Western manufacturing jobs to China to maximise their  profits and shareholder value. The world, thanks to these profiteers, at a pivot point and the rise of China to the wealthiest nation on earth is set in stone. No amount of US protectionist sanctions will stop China becoming the dominant economic force in the world, the only question is how long with current US allies hang around especially if they're the ones getting damaged by US sanctions and unable to conduct their own free trade free from US interference.

Ask small town America whose internet providers used a lot of Huawei infrastructure if they're better off when they're paying vastly higher internet fees because companies have to use 'approved' suppliers costing 5x times as much for less good equipment. This is a taste of what's to come especially if the trade war continues. China cutting off rare earths will be devastating to Western economies not just the US.

Google have just had a eureka moment when they realised Huawei were much further along the path with their own OS which is going to be made Open Source and are now questioning the Huawei ban. Customers use Google because they have to not because they want to, Google is a horrible company and everyone with a braincell knows it. Google can't rely upon customer loyalty so there's every chance the Huawei OS will be a player in the market and what happens if Samsung gets on board with the OS? There could be some interesting times ahead.

The Huawei CEO is a smart chap, he openly says the sanctions have hurt but they will alter their business model and come again. Huawei will concentrate more on new markets where they'll out compete US companies that can't be protected by sanctions and a de facto 2 speed world, the fast lane constructed by China and the slow lane with expensive for the rest.

The US's huge nuclear stock pile and fleets of warships floating round the globe cannot be used to make consumers buy inferior products so this Trump strategy is a moment of national self harm.

fastasleep said:

Some real armchair Eddy Cues in this thread.

I only see a single indie loser in here, and not even sure how much of a role they had in that one. Doesn't take a mathematician to see that one could recoup $500 million from this investment:

Plus: Alias, Lost, Person of Interest, Fringe, Westworld, 11.22.63, Castle Rock... not exactly lightweights here. Give me a break.