22july2013

jony0 said:

recordable macros too would be nice for the whole suite. 

gatorguy said:

22july2013 said:

mac_dog said:

How is this any different than the means google and Facebook or “Meta” (stupid name) collect our data, then sell to the highest bidder? 

I wonder if governments like China and Russia create shell companies and buy data from "legitimate" companies like FaceBook or Google. If so, I don't really blame FaceBook/Google for directly "aiding the enemy," but it sure looks bad on them, and will cost them business if they are caught. How carefully do they vet data purchasers?

"Do you still beat your wife?"

Google doesn't sell user data, so the question itself is without merit.

Even though companies like Facebook and Google aren’t directly selling your data, they are using it for targeted advertising, which creates plenty of opportunities for advertisers to pay and get your personal information in return.
The simplest way is through an ad that links to a website with its own trackers embedded, which can gather information on visitors including their IP address and their device IDs. 
Advertising companies are quick to point out that they sell ads, not data, but don’t disclose that clicking on these ads often results in a website collecting personal data. In other words, you can easily give away your information to companies that have paid to get an ad in front of you.
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“You can say, ‘Hey, Google, I want a list of people ages 18–35 who watched the Super Bowl last year.’ They won’t give you that list, but they will let you serve ads to all those people,” Cyphers said. “Some of those people will click on those ads, and you can pretty easily figure out who those people are. You can buy data, in a sense, that way.” 

avon b7 said:

davidw said:

avon b7 said:

foregoneconclusion said:

avon b7 said: Not allowing other stores to exist, is. 

That's obviously not true from a standard legal perspective. The EU wouldn't be resorting to the use of market cap otherwise. They know that trying to apply this new regulation across the board would be a disaster.

If it isn't legal Apple would have no issues challenging that aspect.

The market cap is relevant to gatekeeper status.

It could easily be argued that what allowed Apple and others to get this far unchallenged was precisely that, in the beginning, it wasn't such an issue. 

As more and more people switch to a more 'digital' lifestyle, the more important these situations have become and solutions for them found. 

Legislation is always behind the curve in the technology race. Data protection is a prime example but eventually, things get tackled. 

Gee, wouldn't you think that if this were true and there's really no doubt that it is, that the EU should be more concern about more important issues like security and privacy on the devices we're all using more of in our "digital lifestyle". Rather than to concentrate on forcing Apple into allowing the installation of apps for iOS users, going against Apple claim that such features would comprise security and privacy on their iDevices?

Wouldn't you say that the EU focusing on allowing third party app stores and side loading, without considering security and privacy issues, as being.....  behind the curve in the technology race? Don't you think that the "data protection" aspect of allowing third party stores and side loading, should be tackled first, instead of .... will eventually get tackled, after our data have already been stolen or held for ransomware by being scammed into installing a malicious app. Google haven't even completely tackled the problem yet and they been working over 10 years at it. Not everyone that are living a "digital lifestyle", are tech savvy.

Apple developed iOS from the ground up, with security, privacy and data protection in mind. So now Apple should be punished by the EU for being ahead of the tech curve? 

Take a look at reality. Most apps are not iOS apps. Security works just fine for the vast majority of users. Thanks in large part to EU directives which are already in force, like PSD2.

This new proposal actually covers a lot of bases and user online security and privacy are major elements.