tobybeagle

crowley said:

I don't really understand the request.  Click on a link and open your default browser.  Click on an email address open your default mail app.  What are you clicking on to open the default messaging app?  There is no universal messaging ID so this doesn't seem like a problem.  Phone numbers are the closest, but I don't think Facebook Messenger works witha phone number anywa, though WhatsApp, a Facebook company, does.

Facebook can quite easily implement a schema for opening Facebook Messenger via a link.

Actually, there is an app in the App Store for Messenger. Just like other apps, you can set location and notifications when you get a message. I used it for a while but then the majority of my acquaintances got iPhones and we use Apple's app

Epic made a gangsta move and got smacked back. While no company is perfect and Apple has had its share of "wtf" decisions, it is clear that Apple thinks through the decisions they make. If Epic has a legit issue with the App Store, then why didn't they provide an alternative scheme that would have benefitted ALL iOS developers instead of trying to get special treatment only for Epic?  A truly meaningful App Store for any platform really didn't exist  prior to  Apple's entry into the smartphone market.

If you as a consumer like Apple's value proposition, you buy an iPhone. If you don't like or feel Apple's value proposition is not you cup of tea, then you buy a different smartphone. If a developer doesn't think Apple's value proposition doesn't meet their business goals, then go develop for another platform. According to an article in the WSJ Hauwei is working hard on a mobile OS for their smartphones. Perhaps Epic would like to develop for that platform. 

Gilliam_Bates said:

johnbear said:

Imagine visa and MasterCard charging merchants 30% to use their system;)

Eaxctly what products do Visa and Mastercard sell through their cards? I must've missed their "card stores".
But sure, let's imagine that. You're free to imagine anything. Let's imagine pigs flying. That would be so fun.

I guess johnbear doesn't understand how a merchant account works. There is a monthly fee whether you process a CC transaction or not. When you process a transaction, a percentage of that charge goes to Visa & MC via the clearinghouse. AMEX charges a higher fee, which is why some merchants don't accept AMEX, or if they do, will charge the buyer a surcharge.

hammeroftruth said:

darkvader said:

Hopefully Apple will be hit with severe sanctions for filing this frivolous action.  This may even qualify for California's SLAPP law because it's such an egregious and obvious attempt to silence Epic (and ultimately the rest of us).

This isn't really about Epic.

This is about MY right to install any software of MY choice on MY iPhone. 

NOT Apple's iPhone.  MY iPhone.  Apple sold it to me, it's not Apple's any more.  And Apple is illegally denying me the right to run software of my choice on MY iPhone.

Actually, Apple has proven that Epic has not acted in “good faith”.  Especially since all of Epic’s actions were premeditated and not reactionary. This proves motive of ill intent to try to void a contract illegally. 

This is why the judge would not compel Apple to restore Epic’s program to the App Store. She noted that Epic harmed themselves by maliciously acting to cut Apple out of their agreed 30%.
its going to be very hard for Epic to prove that Apple has a monopoly or an unfair advantage because Apple does not compete with Epic, but is a distributor of software for a device they make. Epic has had about a decade to bring up issues of lost revenue, or claims that Apple’s 30% has harmed them, but didn’t because Apple hasn’t. 

You should read the EULA before setting up your iPhone, because you agreed to the terms and conditions that Apple set forth when you powered it on and accepted them. So next time, don’t buy an iPhone or read the EULA. 

If you buy a new iPhone and don’t agree to the terms and conditions, the seller is required to give you a refund. 

spot on.

darkvader said:

Hopefully Apple will be hit with severe sanctions for filing this frivolous action.  This may even qualify for California's SLAPP law because it's such an egregious and obvious attempt to silence Epic (and ultimately the rest of us).

This isn't really about Epic.

This is about MY right to install any software of MY choice on MY iPhone. 

NOT Apple's iPhone.  MY iPhone.  Apple sold it to me, it's not Apple's any more.  And Apple is illegally denying me the right to run software of my choice on MY iPhone.

You do own the hardware, but not the OS. You are granted a "right to use the operating system. If you don't agree to the Terms and Conditions of using iOS, the your hardware will not work. Read you iOS agreement the next time you do an upgrade.