supadav03

tehabe said:

urahara said:

tehabe said:

urahara said:

tehabe said:

When it comes to distribution of applications for iOS Apple is a monopolist. You can't buy applications anywhere else. On the other hand, Spotify is not a monopolist, there are many music streaming services on the market, including Apple Music who are competing with Spotify. And currently i it is doubtful if you could charge more than $10 per month for music streaming.

When it comes to sell Big Mac in the McDonalds, it is a monopolist. By your logic.
By 'correct' logic - McDonalds is the owner. Apple is the owner of their platform. It has absolutely nothing to do with monopoly. 

You didn't get my point. There is no other way for Spotify to get there application on an iOS device than Apple's App Store. That is the monopoly part. This is also true for the Play Store on Android. Even though you could side load applications on Android, it is off by default and not recommended, so the Play Store is the only store for applications on Android and therefor a monopoly.

McDonald's is not a monopoly because there are other fast food chains and restaurants on the market. it would be different for example, if McDonald's had an exclusive contract with a mall and would be the only store on the food court.

Some one has given already the example with the grocery store. If you want to sell your good sat grocery store you pay the slot fees. And there is no other way for your to sell in this store. The store is the monopolist? No. They are the owners.
You are confusing the terms.

The example is wrong. Because the grocery store is not the only one in the area. The App Store is the only app store on iOS. Also different on the Mac, the Mac App Store is not the only way to sell software to Mac users, therefore the Mac App Store is not a monopoly. It is not hard to understand.

Btw, who the owner of the store is, is unimportant. Completely beside the point.

As I said it a reply to someone else? What about video game marketplaces? Should Playstation be forced to allow access to Xbox live on their hardware? No.

Plus, this kind of strays from the issue anyways. It’s not customers complaining they can only access Spotify via App Store, it’s the seller complaining they can’t direct customers away from the App Store. So I’m not sure why “being the only store” matters when that’s where customers want to shop. We made that choice when we purchase Apple hardware. 

Abalos65 said:

supadav03 said:

I don’t know. I kind of think of it like a grocery store. If I want to sell my goods at a grocery store I have to pay. I have to pay slotting fees, pay-to-stay fees and display fees, etc. All the while the grocery store can sell their own brand of goods for less, right alongside mine, without paying the same fees. While they don’t pay the same fees as me, they have other cost associated with running the store that I don’t incure. Pretty reasonable business model that’s used all over. Idk...doesn’t seem unfair to me. 

The drawback of analogies is that they do not always fit perfectly. How would the fact that iPhone users can only access the App Store fit into your analogy? Or Spotify not being allowed to mention the fact that they have set up their own 'store' on their own website?

Yeah, not perfect parallels so it really doesn’t address your first question. As for Spotify not being allowed to mention their own store: Can I, as Entenmann’s, be mad at Publix if they don’t let me advertise in their store that my donuts can be bought at the Entenmann’s store for less? No. I’m paying for access to their customer base who may not know my product exist if not for being on their store shelf. So to try and direct those customers away from their store to mine so I can make more profit seems more unfair than them telling me I can’t advertise like that in their stores. 


Side comment to address iPhone users only accessing App Store - Playstation users can only access PSN. Is it right that if I own a Playstation I’m forced to use PSN for digital content? Why can’t I access Xbox Live Market Place or Nintendo eShop? Because if you choose the product (iPhone, Playstation) you do so knowing that you are also buying into their ecosystem and if you don’t like that, that you buy an Xbox or Switch. 

I don’t know. I kind of think of it like a grocery store. If I want to sell my goods at a grocery store I have to pay. I have to pay slotting fees, pay-to-stay fees and display fees, etc. All the while the grocery store can sell their own brand of goods for less, right alongside mine, without paying the same fees. While they don’t pay the same fees as me, they have other cost associated with running the store that I don’t incure. Pretty reasonable business model that’s used all over. Idk...doesn’t seem unfair to me. 

If I don’t like the fees Publix charges to sell in their stores I can always sell my stuff at Winn-Dixie instead, but if I want access to Publix customers, I have to pay what they are asking. Now, Publix should want my product on their shelves so I would expect some consessions on their end as well. To that point, I do think Apple should continue to lower IAP cut. Think dropping the reoccurring to 15% was a nice move in that direction. 

Just in time to save us from DirecTV Now (and others) constant price hikes (I hope 🤞🏻)

Just got home and tried this for the first time. Works really well. I have 250 mbps internet with it hardwired to my PS4 but there is still some noticeable lag. Would t try to play any competitive shooters like this but for more story driven games or RPGs, it’s awesome. Very cool to see Spider-Man PS4 on my iPhone XS Max. DualShock 4 doesn’t work so you have to use on screen buttons. Prefer to play on iPad because you get more room. Can turn to portrait mode and have top half video and bottom half button. If they can get the DS4 working with this it would be killer. Also, an app for tvOS would make that thing go from gaming crap to amazing it 2 seconds flat. It works really well so far. Played about 30 mins total (Spider-Man, Witcher 3 and FF14) on both my iPhone and iPad. Two thumbs up so far.