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avon b7 said:

canucklehead said:

avon b7 said:

canucklehead said:

avon b7 said:

foregoneconclusion said:

avon b7 said: It's all completely unnecessary on Apple's part. Why not simply ask the EU and wait for a reply? 

That's what they're doing: putting the new AI features on hold while they communicate with the EU per the DMA requirements. Note that Apple was in communication with the EU about the anti-steering changes in the DMA and now the EU is saying there's something wrong with what Apple did. 

What was unnecessary was the need to make a fuss out of things. Totally unnecessary. 

If they had simply asked and waited for a reply we wouldn't even be talking about this now. No one would have brought the question up in the first place. Vestager wouldn't have said anything. 

But no, Apple decided to FUD things up. 

That's their call but it's pretty foolish, petty and probably won't help in the bigger scheme of things. 

Apple’s going for friction so... so be it. 

Except these features are due to come out shortly and likely, these discussions won’t produce a resolution by that time. Apple is ensuring that the people in the EU have the right expectations when the next OSs are launched.

Announced just this very month and not expected in the US until the end of the year and on a very limited range of devices. That isn't 'shortly' even for the US and things will be rolled out over time.

It definitely isn't 'shortly' for the EU.

These discussions should produce a quick result if Apple is upfront on everything. After all, the DSA/DMA have been enacted and now it is about compliance. 

Will Apple be upfront, though? I very much doubt it. Just look at the 'core technology fee'.

What is likely is that Apple will try the same 'malicious compliance' route it is already on so the EU will probably have to reserve judgement, wait for features to be deployed (that's Apple's decision) and then evaluate them.

Has Apple actually published why (I mean, exactly why) it thinks it may be non-compliant?

Of course it hasn't. That is the thing about FUD. If your goal is to truly inform and be transparent, then do it. Write a white paper on compliance difficulties. 

Yet you completely ignore the actual point of my comment, which is that the EU wants Apple to make this new tech available, and when it’s make available, the EU wants to force Apple to essentially give away that tech to it’s competitors. Seems rather unreasonable, no? Why on Earth would any company agree to that? All Apple is doing by making this announcement is to point out how absurd this is.

“You created something I want. So please give it to me. And when you do, I require you to give it to everyone else too.” Sounds fair. 

That's a lot of guesswork there. 

How can you possibly know what the EU wants? 

No one knows the specifics of the discussions. 

All we have is the DSA/DMA and a possible compliance issue. 

Apple chose to make its claims in the public sphere without detailing anything. Vestager replied when asked.

That's not much to go on at this point. 

avon b7 said:

davidlewis54 said:

I’m at a loss to understand the EU position on any of its complaints.  Apple certainly does not have any sort of a monopoly over any aspect of any of its product range.  All tech companies offer different things in different regions.  No tech company has every application or product available in all regions at the same time and sometimes there are years apart, if at all.
Apple is damned if it does and damned if it doesn’t.  MS Office, particularly Word is pretty much ubiquitous.  I’d much rather not use it but have to because every other business does.  There never seems to be any complaint about that. 

When it comes to its product range, Apple has an absolute monopoly. 

danielito said:

What is this sound recognition nonsense?
If your music is so loud that you don't hear a siren, turn it down.
And if your hearing is so impaired that you wouldn't hear a siren then you should not be driving.

Pema said:

That said there is no reason why Apple cannot add a feature to Apple Car Play to distinguish it from Google Car Play in order to let the motorist cast the phone screen to the head screen.