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williamlondon said:

bsimpsen said:

netrox said:

What is surprising is that iPhone 7 Plus is already FASTER than iPad Pro! Just think how it keeps getting faster and faster with no signs of leveling off at all. So, I can see how Apple may eventually use ARM chips in future Macs. Their chip is just way MUCH faster in terms of performance per watt. 

Yep, the iPhone 7 is faster than the entry level MacBook, on both single (3233 vs. 2668) and multi-core (5363 vs. 4886). It's faster than the top line MacBook on single core (3233 vs. 2831) and fairly close on multi-core (5363 vc. 6008). Two more years of this kind of improvement and the iPhone might be benchmarking better than half the Mac line. Something's gotta give.

Imagine they didn't throttle it in a device that had more cooling and wattage available (did I get that right?) with which to contend, such as the AppleTV, or perhaps one day a laptop with A-series. Wonder how this would scream in one of those housings. Very impressive to get all that in a phone, how far before these mobile devices render the need for faster machines for the masses (not those who need power for work and such, but the email/social networking/internet browsing masses) moot?

Theres no secret to the A series, it is the transistor count. At 3.3 billion it is by far the largest cpu ever. It is quite a bit more than the A9 and 1 billion more than the A8. From Anandtech:

Apple SoC Evolution
	Die Size	Transistors	Process
A5	122m2	<1B	45nm
A6	97mm2	<1B	32nm
A7	102mm2	>1B	28nm
A8	89mm2	~2B	20nm
A9	96mm2/104.5mm2	>2B	14nm/16nm

For some other reference. The quad core i7 in my 2012 macbook pro retina has a paltry 1.4 billion transistors with a 1.2 billion transistor GPU. The thing is positively massive. Remember when the A7 came out and Apple said they were building desktop class CPUs, it is quite true.

nolamacguy said:

r1sko said:

Sorry guys. I’m really trying hard, but I can’t share your enthusiasm. I’m scrolling through the list of new features over and over but for the first time since 2008 I can’t seem to convince myself that upgrading to 7 makes much sense. I think the lack of new design, or egde to edge screen, leaves me with no emotion that I was so used to with every Apple product release. 

what actual value-add would you derive from an edge-to-edge screen or new case design?

Just wait until Apple shows you. 

digitalclips said:

adrayven said:

hmurchison said:

Looks like a 13"  MBP is in the batter's box to replace my trusty 13" MBA.  

I'd consider the 15" but these refreshes won't be based on Kaby Lake processors so I'd rather keep the money in my pocket and perhaps upgrade to a 15" in a couple of years. 

I love love love the idea of a dynamic OLED strip and Touch ID support.  Hopefully developers and end users will have some great customizing functionality. 

5k display sounds great...not at $999.  I think the price premium for 5k vs 4k doesn't make sense.   

To drive 5k, those monitors will HAVE to have built in GPU's.. Just no way around that. The TB3 / DP spec's don't support 5k at all; much less the timing chip required.. The only way that is possible, right now, is the custom chip timing chip they used in the 5k iMac itself, which requires the GPU to be there.. This will be an interesting release.

I would think a new Mac Pro would drive one wouldn't it?

A Mac Pro can drive a 5K display using two DisplayPort 1.2 cables today.

adrayven said:

hmurchison said:

Looks like a 13"  MBP is in the batter's box to replace my trusty 13" MBA.  

I'd consider the 15" but these refreshes won't be based on Kaby Lake processors so I'd rather keep the money in my pocket and perhaps upgrade to a 15" in a couple of years. 

I love love love the idea of a dynamic OLED strip and Touch ID support.  Hopefully developers and end users will have some great customizing functionality. 

5k display sounds great...not at $999.  I think the price premium for 5k vs 4k doesn't make sense.   

To drive 5k, those monitors will HAVE to have built in GPU's.. Just no way around that. The TB3 / DP spec's don't support 5k at all; much less the timing chip required.. The only way that is possible, right now, is the custom chip timing chip they used in the 5k iMac itself, which requires the GPU to be there.. This will be an interesting release.

This is incorrect. No custom timing chip is required these days. Displayport 1.3 is out and even 1.4 is out and they both support 5K displays just fine. Even the old displayport 1.2 supported 5K if you connect two cables. USB-C supports displayport 1.3

This is one of the few areas where Nokia was ahead pre-Microsoft. They had tech in the mic hardware that allowed for an extreme dynamic range, some thing that very few devices have these days. An example of this device would be thr Pureview 808 and Lumia 1020. It allowed for you to be at the front stage of a large concert and the loudest sounds would be as clear as the softest sounds without clipping. Something phones, including Apple and Samsung, still get wrong today. Imagine a few more years of development especially without Microsoft.