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foggyhill said:

6502 said:

Seems like only 2 of the 8 actually do something important.

Because HR (People) is of course totally not important... (sic).

melgross said:

6502 said:

melgross said:

6502 said:

Neither of which is done in the US, which is shameful. Even more so is Apple seems intent on offshoring their R&D work to China too. This is not the Apple I know.

melgross said:

Can't people understand that this isn't manufacturing, it's assembly. There's a difference. Manufacturing is actually the process of making parts, while assembly is just putting them together. Assembly is the lowest value part of manufacturing.

Lord! We talk about this time and again. Apple, and others have explained this numerous times.

its not shameful at all. It can't happen here. I really don't know what's wrong with you people. Do you believe that nonsense that Trump spouts? Assembly of phones is done in countries that are developing because American workers will never again work the way they do there. Around the turn of the 19th century to the 20th, we used to have workers live in barracks, buy exclusively from the company store, and send a bit of money home to their families. Mining companies were the last to do this kind of thing.it even inspired a famous song.

this is the way it works in China, India, and a few other developing nations. People move hundreds, or even thousands of miles to move into a barracks where they have a single size bed with a foot locker, and a cabinet on the wall above the head board, and that's it. If the company needs 10,000 workers late Saturday night, they go into the barracks and wake these people up and put them on the lines. They live that way, often for years.

there is simply no way that workers in any developed country will ever do that again.

i can't believe the total lack of understanding some people here, in this country, have about these matters. I just read a financial article that discussed the loss of manufacturing jobs in this country. 13% is due to trade deals, and a whopping 87% is due to automation. What jobs we lost to trade deals is mostly made up by jobs in import industries and distribution, but no jobs are gained, in any real numbers for losses due to automation. This ratio is going to get worse. Even if, somehow, these lines could be automated, and brought here, we would see virtually no job creation. But this is years off.

We've had manufacturing in the US that didn't require barracks and other things you described; that was well over 100 years ago. The workers at Carrier and Rexnord, just 2 examples, didn't live in barracks; their jobs are now in Mexico so obviously automation didn't take them over. It comes down to greedy executives and greedy Wall Street. The biggest employer 25 years ago was GM - good paying skilled middle class jobs. Today the biggest employer today is Walmart - low skilled minimum wage jobs. We are tuning into a nation of MBAs, logistic managers and bean counters. I shutter to think what is going to happen with the next world war, will we have to beg China to make our planes and tanks since we have no skilled workers in the US to make them?

And, I'd gladly pay a bit more for an iPhone made in the US but I'm sure Cook and crew would never risk lower their profit margin and therefore their bonus to have this happen. You are basically saying if slave labor cannot make our things then they just won't get made. That is the most shameful of all.

Yeah, just believe that garbage. GM, and other large companies in the auto industry have problems because when compared to cars made by no USA owned companies, their cars stink. All of those foreign owned car manufacturers who make cars hers, and it's a considerable number, make better cars. It's really that simple. I know a lot of people who will never buy a USA owned car makers cars.

the biggest problem for USA made products is the american consumer. Honestly, how many people here have gone out of their way, over the years, to buy American made products when they cost more than the same thing made overseas? I'll bet, that if honestly thought about, none of you here can say that.

you entirely missed my point. The barracks is where many manufacturing and mining people did live in back then. That's exactly the point. That's how manufacturers got cheap, controlled, labor. That hasn't happened for a long time here. But it's what is happening in developing countries now, and we can't compete with that.

maybe if Carrier, and others, did have that kind of captive labor, they would stay here.

the other thing is that those high paying manufacturing Jobs in the auto industry an steel industry were because of very strong unions. That's gone too with the assault on unions we see happening from conservatives. Most factory jobs in this country have never been high paying Jobs. That's a myth.

Oh, I should add, it's not slave labor. These people take those jobs, because for those countries, pay and benefits are pretty damn good. They can leave when their contract is up, usually a contract is for a year. We have contracts like that here too.