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dewme said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

gatorguy said:

The practical effect will be that a site like this AppleInsider Forum can longer exist. 

Cheerleaders of the bill need to consider unanticipated consequences. Comment forums will largely disappear from most fan sites, and the ones that remain will heavily moderate (censor). It's rare that any of them earn enough profit to weather just one lawsuit over content posted by a user. 

If this, or similar 230 "reform" bills are passed, the forums here will absolutely be shut down.

Thanks for summing it up very nicely.

Nobody in their right mind would place themselves in a position where they can be held liable for other people's crimes and indiscretions. Likewise, repeal of this provision would not only encourage mass censorship, but instill it as a survival mechanism for anyone bold enough to attempt to provide a public forum that allows open participation. 

This bill is just another case of one group saying "Only we can ascertain the truth and we will enforce it as we see fit." This is not a slippery slope, this is an icy cliff. Unfortunately, after the truth decay, hate priming, and "win at any cost" behaviors that have become normalized over the past several years, this bill may gain some traction. The same failings in human nature and twisted cognition that led 900+ attendees of the Jim Jones kool-aid party to be led to the gates of hell by a psychopathic but charismatic leader are still very much in play to this day. It's just a matter of time before the party starts.  

foregoneconclusion said:

ro_ro_ur_boat said:

The current culture of social media is they do censor conservatives and when the liberals say the same thing, it’s ok. 

Care to provide some examples of the "same thing" being censored?

cpsro said:

Tulsi Gabbard is a nut case and the GOP has become so corrupt and ugly behind Trump and McConnell, they can’t tolerate being caught in lies and are currently threatening our very democracy.

Company forums are not public and consequently aren’t subject to the 1st Amendment. It’s unreasonable to expect all expression on a company forum to be accurately moderated or moderated to one’s own liking. Section 230 needs to remain.

Mike Wuerthele said:

gatorguy said:

The practical effect will be that a site like this AppleInsider Forum can longer exist. 

Cheerleaders of the bill need to consider unanticipated consequences. Comment forums will largely disappear from most fan sites, and the ones that remain will heavily moderate (censor). It's rare that any of them earn enough profit to weather just one lawsuit over content posted by a user. 

If this, or similar 230 "reform" bills are passed, the forums here will absolutely be shut down.

razorpit said:

sflocal said:

Long gone are the days of actual journalism and having to get things right the first time.  Back in the newspaper days, the stories better be correct, otherwise, valuable column space will have to be wasted on the next paper run for a retraction.  Now, in the digital age, one can publish/insert anything regardless of its authenticity and if found wrong, simply update the article and pretend it never happened, or just hope that people's short attention span will simply move on.  

Sounds to me like it's more fake-news in the hopes of influencing the market, or someone with a grudge.  The truth I think lies somewhere in the middle and what's the law and what's reality need to balance.  However, until that is resolved, let's just cherry-pick pieces out of context because sensationalism news is what drives web clicks.

I'm really disappointed here, and not necessarily with AI, but with modern news sites.  It's pieces like these that has people never believing anything published by anyone anymore and it causes more long-term damage for those short-term clicks.

But it is even worse than that. One “news site” reports a story. A second “news site” sees it and reports on it, and before you can say WTH? You suddenly find “multiple reports” of said news. AppleNews is pretty much an echo chamber of this kind of reporting.

foregoneconclusion said:

sflocal said:

Now, in the digital age, one can publish/insert anything regardless of its authenticity and if found wrong, simply update the article and pretend it never happened, or just hope that people's short attention span will simply move on.  

It will be interesting to see if AI ever issues a retraction on the "hinge fails after 212 uses" claim regarding the Magsafe Duo Charger. 

Not that it matters, I’ll never buy one at that price, but wasn’t it signs of breaking down or something like that? (I find it hard to believe myself.)