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  • US will not tolerate EU fine against Apple, says White House

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    macguy85 said:
    krawall said:
    I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?

    Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated. 
    No - The gloves have come off, because the US is constantly ripped off and walked over by other countries. The EU imposes a 10% tariff on all incoming vehicles on the US, while the US only has a 2.5% tariff on EU made autos.  A reciprocal tariff here is completely fair game. The EU plays this "we need competition" game, when they are the ones being anti-competitive. The EU claims to be anti-monopoly...unless is European.

    You think the Tariff is why Europeans don't buy your cars.   hahahahahaha
    nubuswilliamlondon

  • US will not tolerate EU fine against Apple, says White House

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     Tariffs are difficult. But it's the only way to level the playing field. 

     
    Tariffs are the exact opposite of levelling the playing field.   And the opposite of conservative talking points for years.   Conservatives have spent years saying let the market decide and reduce intervention.  Tariffs are a direct intervention.

    When the market decides it's cheaper to manufacture things overseas they bitch and moan about levelling the playing field.   If you want a level playing field, then negotiate a free trade agreement with zero tariffs and restrictions.   Stop using socialist protections to subsidise your farmers and let the global market decide the most cost effective solutions.   You won't do it.   Because you're all full of it and think the USA has earned the right to be number 1 forever.
    tiredskillsalgnormmuthuk_vanalingam9secondkox2

  • US will not tolerate EU fine against Apple, says White House

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    oxonrich said:

    The DMA isn't an extortion racket.
    Sorry, but if it weren't an extortion racket they would publish actual regulations that tell companies like Apple precisely what compliance consists of. Do they do that? No, they don't, they just "find" that whatever these companies, with no concrete guidance at all on what is expected, did do "wasn't sufficient". Classic racket.
    The regulations are clear. Others manage to comply. Just because you don’t understand them, it doesn’t mean they are not sufficient.
    Apple didn’t comply, but tried their best to circumnavigate them. Classic monopoly abusing their power.

    I happen to like the monopoly and am more than happy with a closed ecosystem that protects my privacy and security. But the regulations clearly say that Apple, as a gatekeeper, is required to allow for the distribution of apps on its iOS operating system by means other than through the Apple App. Apple doesn’t sufficiently do this with conditions it imposes on developers. Fine fully justified. Apple has the right to appeal. 

    You are in a glass house throwing stones. Trump is trying to extort the entire world with his “reciprocal” tariffs and until you can elect someone with basic common sense you don’t have a leg to stand on. 




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  • US will not tolerate EU fine against Apple, says White House

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    anonymouse said:
    oxonrich said:
    anonymouse said:

    “Something as nebulous as "spirit" isn't law because laws must clearly state what they mean. How can anyone know if they are following the law, or breaking it, if the laws is so ill defined as to depend entirely on the "interpretation" that regulators choose to give it.”



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    Thats a bit rich coming from an American. How much time is spent “interpreting” your constitution because it wasn’t clearly stated what your lawmakers meant.
    Yes, and these "interpretations" have sometimes caused us no end of trouble, like Dred Scott and the recent decision creating out of thin air Presidential immunity. 
    No shit. If you're not prepared to re-write your laws in a way that make sense, why on earth do you expect other others to do so. 

    The DMA isn't an extortion racket. It's a way of protecting EU members from companies that are taking advantage of their market position and abusing it. Is it perfect. No. Is it needed, absolutely. If the EU stopped doing everything that Americans don't understand they would not be able to enact a single law.

    Alternatively we could look to ban those abusers entirely. Or force the sale of the company to EU owners. But that all sounds a little authoritarian to me. 
    nubuswilliamlondontiredskillswatto_cobra

  • US will not tolerate EU fine against Apple, says White House

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    anonymouse said:

    “Something as nebulous as "spirit" isn't law because laws must clearly state what they mean. How can anyone know if they are following the law, or breaking it, if the laws is so ill defined as to depend entirely on the "interpretation" that regulators choose to give it.”



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    Thats a bit rich coming from an American. How much time is spent “interpreting” your constitution because it wasn’t clearly stated what your lawmakers meant.

    US tech companies have got away with bullying and monopoly behaviour for years. And Americans were fine with it.

    Amazon has destroyed retail markets all over the world by undercutting them and shipping everywhere. 

    Google and Facebook have destroyed the media landscape all over the world. Most advertising dollars go to these companies rather than local media. They have a massive impact on the local economy and then dont pay any tax by diverting their massive profits to places like Singapore and Ireland. And the huge amounts of money spent on these companies don't count as “imports”.  If they did, a lot more countries would have a trade deficit with the States. And then Trump uses trade imbalances as an excuse to apply “reciprocal” tariffs. It’s downright ridiculous.

    US companies cause havoc to other countries economies. I am a huge Apple fan and spend a lot of money on their products, but I’m getting very tired of Americans playing victim.   You have 5% of the worlds population and yet 25% of the worlds wealth. You are not a victim. You were well positioned after WW2 to grow economically while Europe had to rebuild. And you took advantage of that. Well done. You do not own, or deserve, a seat at the top. You have to earn it.

    World trade will pivot to Asia, whatever you do. They have almost 40% of the worlds population in just two countries and both are expected to have a larger economy that then US inside 20 years. You can work with allies to reduce the impact of this and make it a smooth transition. Or you can isolate yourselves and get forgotten. The world will happily move on without you.

    Incidentally. Im very happy with my latest macbook pro. USA designs some great products. It shipped to me direct from the manufacturer in Asia
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