shrave10

mpantone said:

danox said:

Apple is the only one that’s not squatting all over the other platforms ecosystems. (ie..Safari on Windows which was rightfully, canned by Apple)

This is false.

Apple does have a presence on other platforms which Apple has carefully groomed over years. iTunes has been a longtime presence on Windows and is still available to manage media content to transfer to iDevices (iPhones, iPads, old iPods, etc.).

Apple Music has a presence too, including Android devices in the form of an app on the Google Play Store. This includes a separate Apple Classical Music app too.

And let's not forget about Apple TV which is all over the place. My LG OLED television (running webOS) has an Apple TV app. Yes, it's also available on the Google Play Store for Android smartphones as well as streaming devices like Roku.

Shazam is another Apple service that has a longtime Android app.

I think what Danox meant was that Apple is willing to compete fairly on other platforms for some of it's services.  However, they are not willing to pay $ billions to keep competing services off of other platforms like Google is doing.  

Essentially Google is using their big money to keep competing engines off of all Android phones and iPhones, i.e., 100% of smartphones.  They seem to feel that if ChatGPT search or other competitor gets a foot in the smartphone market door, then that door may slowly be pushed wide open.  They are probably right.  

Apple should charge several engines and load up all of them and let users cycle their searches thru all of them without needing to retype their search string.  That may allow other engines to start seeing more revenues and reinvigorate competition & innovation in search.  Apple still collects fees from all engines and Google now has to compete again.  

Google does not want this to happen and that's why they are paying Apple (and Samsung) so much money so they can keep the Apple Garden gate (and Samsung Garden Gate) closed to other engines. 

Apple has very little market share in both smartphones and notebooks in India.  How can they be anticompetitive?  Androids and PC's can reach the end user easily and are the vast majority in their respective categories. 

tiredskills said:

shrave10 said:

SiTime said:

zeus423 said:

Warren is a career politician. I’m sure she’s very familiar with corruption. 

Unless the definition of “career politician” has changed recently, that is false. She is not a career politician. She was first elected to political office at the age of 63. She spent the majority of her career in academia. Which… I know “academia” is also a word that will trigger some people’s feelings.

And Tim Cook spent the majority of his life in the real world, not academia.  Does Senator Warren think she can get all the manufacturing equipment out of China within 30 days or whatever?  She clearly does not know the road blocks to this in the real world.  She should let Tim do what he does best.  He is responding to the tariffs as best as possible and may have asked Pres. Trump for more time.  What's the big deal?  Would Senator Warren be happier if Apple just suffered market share to Samsung, and the Androids?  Would that make her happy? 

She's asking for information, that's all.  If the information backs up what you say then she'll likely be satisfied, or will redirect her criticism to the administration that has caused all the trouble.   

This has nothing to do with Samsung or Android.  That's a weird angle.

She seems to love investigating US companies over EU or Chinese ones.  She's the one with the weird angle

tiredskills said:

shrave10 said:

tiredskills said:

shrave10 said:

Appeal to what?  A kangaroo court that always fines US companies guilty and EU companies innocent?  

Do you really believe that the US news bubble that you live in would report on the EU Commission fining EU companies?  Newsflash, they have done so many times, you are just ignorant of it.

US does not have any organization that can fine companies 10% of global turnover before any court appeals are done.  If the EU is not a definition of a kangaroo court, I don't know what is

If the only thing you're considering is the available fines then you've got a weird-ass definition of a kangaroo court.

Incidentally, this fine is well short of 10% of global turnover.  It's barely 1% of revenue in the EU.

As per the article  above this comments section, the EU may have lowered their fines so as not to draw too much attention from the White House.  But it failed.  They noticed. 

Reuters is reporting that Whitehouse officials will begin unveiling trade deals within the next 2-3 weeks.  You can bet that when they are negotiating with the EU, the kangaroo court system otherwise known as the DMA will be  rewritten.   

US has no organization that can start fining companies 10% of global annual revenue within 60 days without any due court proceedings.  Currently the EU offers no ability for US companies to contest their viewpoints in an EU court of law before incurring massive fines that include up to 10% of global annual revenue of the company with 60 days warning.  They can also levy up to 5% of average daily worldwide turnover without any court proceedings. 

It’s like they are the judge, jury, and executioner without needing to follow any existing laws.  And they use the act to zero in on U.S. companies while leaving EU and Chinese companies relatively unscathed. 

I suspect the DMA framework will be rewritten during any trade negotiations.  

If the EU does not flex on this, then I would not be surprised if the White House even threatens to put in place a similar entity in US solely for scrutinizing foreign companies doing business in U.S.  and allow them to implement similar penalties on foriegn companies based on 10% of their global revenues within 60 days and without any formal court proceedings to see if any laws are violated. 

Maybe the EU will see the unfairness in their DMA system then?

tiredskills said:

shrave10 said:

Appeal to what?  A kangaroo court that always fines US companies guilty and EU companies innocent?  

Do you really believe that the US news bubble that you live in would report on the EU Commission fining EU companies?  Newsflash, they have done so many times, you are just ignorant of it.

US does not have any organization that can fine companies 10% of global turnover before any court appeals are done.  If the EU is not a definition of a kangaroo court, I don't know what is