slow n easy

Macocalypse said:

slow n easy said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Tesla is doing,…

If you ever want to know if a Muskovite is in the room just say something negative about Tesla.

Well, you are clearly anti-Musk, with all of the name-calling. I’m not Pro or Anti. I just call it the way it is. I posted 2 in a row, so you must have seen the one just above it where I state that I will never buy a Tesla. So how do you explain, that?

Edit: Well, I guess I wasn’t super explicit with the previous post. Referring to the Apple Car I said that I would never consider a car that I couldn’t drive myself, which means that I don’t want a self-driving car. Then further down in the post, I said that I ruled out buying a Tesla because I don’t like the iPad-like screen, plus the fact that there is no screen directly in front of me, and the fact that turning off adaptable cruise control is not possible. So you calling me a Muskovite is pretty ridiculous. You seem very closed-minded vs I can see both sides.

am8449 said:

I’d guess that Apple’s decision to not produce a car was about not only low profit margin, but also whether they could bring enough innovative technology to a car that would warrant a higher profit margin. 

I can imagine Tim Cook saying in a closed door meeting, “Our current and near-future machine learning algorithms for an autonomous self driving system are not good enough to make a truly safe car experience, so we’re not going to bring it to market.”

On a side note, this seems quite different from what Elon Musk and Tesla have done regarding their autonomous self driving system. Even letting Tesla owners be guinea pigs and risking their own safety to test their system. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Tesla is doing, and it's ridiculous to call Tesla owners guinea pigs. They are required to pay $12,000 or $200/month if they want the car to drive itself, and they have to be almost constantly touching the steering wheel, or the system will deactivate. They also use a strike system, so if you get (I believe 3 strikes) then you are cut off for a week or something like that. So people are required to take their role as a Beta Tester seriously. Also FSD 12 should go to wide release any day now. That is end-to-end AI and an elimination of 300,000 lines of code. It should be a total game changer. Tesla is still the only auto manufacturer where every vehicle they sell is capable of driving on every road in the country by itself. They are so far ahead of everyone else, it's hard to imagine that the other car companies will ever catch up. I'm guessing that they will have to license Tesla's technology. Tesla already gave away their charge port, and every auto company except Stellantis is using it starting in 2025. There is no way that Stellantis can hold out forever or people will stop buying their cars.

I'm not sure I would have ever bought an Apple Car. Knowing Apple, they would probably want to get rid of the steering wheel or some crazy shit like that. I would never even consider a car that I couldn't drive myself. I'm sure that Apple would also consider performance to be a low priority, and for me, performance is a high priority. I did consider the 2024 Model 3, but rejected that car because of a lack of instrument cluster screen. I don't want one gigantic iPad like screen. I prefer 2 or 3 different screens and the car I recently bought has a head-up display, which I love. Also, in the Tesla, you can't turn off adaptive cruise control. I tried it in my Integra, and I absolutely hate it. I turned that off along with pretty much all of the other active driving stuff. I don't plan on buying an EV until around 2034.

anantksundaram said:

My original plan, when I saw the product intro, was to buy the Vision Pro when it came out this year. But I have now decided to give it a pass. A hard pass. This product is not going much of anywhere. It will have some important niche uses, but even that will take a few years. (If you think I am mistaken, do correct me; the general level of "meh" as reflected in the lack of enthusiasm for it in this forum supports my views).

As a shareholder and a four-decade customer of Apple, I truly hope Cook et al. have something more needle-moving up their sleeves as a next product or service. 

For the first time since the early-to-mid 90s, I am worried about Apple's growth prospects or rather, the seeming lack of any. Revenues have been flatlining-to-declining, and I hope that does not continue (although I am pessimistic, at least over the next year).

I don’t get it. What changed between watching the intro and now? I don’t know if it will be worth the money, but I might buy one. I would probably use it to watch TV shows and movies and web surfing. I agree with you that it is a niche product, but I knew that after watching the intro.

Yeah but the thieves will get a message on their phone informing them of the AirTag following them, so they would likely find and get rid of it.