slow n easy

foregoneconclusion said:

tmay said:

SAE Level 5

Full Self-Driving (FSD) is Tesla's branding for its beta testing program to achieve fully autonomous driving (SAE Level 5). The naming is controversial, because vehicles operating under FSD remain at Level 2 automation and are therefore not "fully self-driving" and require active driver supervision.

Level 2 is only for highway driving as well. 

"In its user manual, Tesla says that Autosteer, one of the main functions of Autopilot, is “intended for use on controlled-access highways with a fully attentive driver.” That usually means highways with on- and off-ramps and a center median to separate opposing lanes."

Tesla has two different driver assistant options available. One system is called Autopilot and the other is called Full Self Driving. Both names are very misleading.
Autopilot is for controlled-access highways and is similar to other car manufacturer’s auto-driving systems.
Full Self Driving is for all road types including  both expressways and city driving. The car handles stop signs, traffic lights, unprotected left turns, pedestrians, etc.
Tesla labels both systems as SAE Level 2 which means that the driver is required to pay attention to the road and surroundings at all times.
Even though Tesla labels both systems as Level 2, Full Self Driving is vastly more capable than Autopilot. 

Elon Musk announced that Tesla will be investing $10 Billion in FSD technology for this year alone. They are dead serious that this will be a solvable problem.

There is a massive night and day difference between FSD from 2018 and now. He is proving everyone wrong. All the experts and every major company said that it was impossible for his approach to work, and yet the cars drive by themselves with only minor mistakes here and there. The car still doesn’t understand hand signals yet. I just got back from a 3 ½ hour trip to Indianapolis today and there was a traffic cop waving cars through a red light. That is still one of the situations that the car can’t handle yet. But for the vast majority of situations, the car does fine. I still feel that this will be a finished product by the end of 2026 and most car manufacturers will get Tesla licenses for Honda to use FSD for example and Ford to license FSD, and so on. Tesla is just too far ahead for others to catch up. 

Draco said:

I've been calling BS on self-driving cars since I first heard about it. Yes, driving can be easy 99.5% of the time; it's the other 0.5% that cameras and computers will never solve on existing roads with human drivers and pedestrians. 

And "AI" is the next bubble waiting to burst. For important issues involving politics or public policy, we can't even agree on the same set of facts. Google's "artificial intelligence" couldn't even produce a picture of the Founding Fathers without introducing woke BS into the results. 

Just to play Devil's Advocate, I first heard about self-driving cars in 2016. The difference between 2016 and now is like the difference between arithmetic and calculus. You make it sound like autonomous vehicles are an impossibility. It's not impossible, it's just impossible without AI. I don't want one, but they are definitely coming. There are tens of thousands of deaths per year because people refuse to pay attention to their surroundings. That number could be very drastically cut with autonomous vehicles. 

Macocalypse said:

slow n easy said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Tesla is doing,…

If you ever want to know if a Muskovite is in the room just say something negative about Tesla.

Well, you are clearly anti-Musk, with all of the name-calling. I’m not Pro or Anti. I just call it the way it is. I posted 2 in a row, so you must have seen the one just above it where I state that I will never buy a Tesla. So how do you explain, that?

Edit: Well, I guess I wasn’t super explicit with the previous post. Referring to the Apple Car I said that I would never consider a car that I couldn’t drive myself, which means that I don’t want a self-driving car. Then further down in the post, I said that I ruled out buying a Tesla because I don’t like the iPad-like screen, plus the fact that there is no screen directly in front of me, and the fact that turning off adaptable cruise control is not possible. So you calling me a Muskovite is pretty ridiculous. You seem very closed-minded vs I can see both sides.