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MplsP said:

rogifan_new said:

A product being thin and being defective are two different things. Same thing with key travel. Lower key travel isn’t a defect, even if some people don’t prefer it. Too often with this whole butterfly saga personal preferences and actual product defects have been conflated. Since there are Windows laptops as thin as MacBooks that seemingly don’t have similar keyboard issues it’s difficult to say thinness is the reason the butterfly keyboard was problematic. The latest rumor we have says nothing about the laptops getting thicker.

Totally agree - I’m not a fan of the new keyboard feel, but I got used to it. Feel is a preference. Sticking, malfunctioning keys is a defect. 

I’m not sure that Ive was ‘responsible’ for the keyboard, at least not directly. True, His design style is minimalist, but from an aesthetic point of view the keyboard is the same. The reduced travel allows for other changes, but I can’t see Ive demanding less than 0.8 mm key travel for keyboard aesthetics. 

Either they didn't adequately test the keyboard to uncover the issues, or they uncovered them at such a late point in the process that a change was impossible because it would have required a major redesign of the entire product. We’ll never know, but I hope it’s the former. 

GeorgeBMac said:

Perhaps this is a continuation of Apple shifting away from sleek, minimalist design and towards functionality that we saw with the new MacPro?

And, perhaps this shift had some connection (either cause or effect) with Ive's leaving?

In any case, abandoning the flawed butterfly keyboard is long overdue.

lorin schultz said:

At the beginning of the article it says the change is predicted to be part of a 2019 refresh, but at the end it says the new keyboard will be adopted in 2020. Which is it? If it’s 2019 I may wait for it. If it’s next year I may not.

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fastasleep said:

Now we know where Jony Ive has been working since Thursday.

LOL

But may not be far from the truth in the future. I imagine everyone is going to want to work with him, 

Samsung walking into Jony Ive office, see Huawei already sit there waiting. 

LOL. You obviously haven't seen any recent Samsung or Huawei flagships. Believe me, neither of them need Sir Jony Ive.

In fact, Apple could learn a thing or two from the design of recent flagships from both companies (or even Oppo and OnePlus).

My house is in downtown and every time I’m going out I see advertisings of Samsung and Huawei flagship phones on massive billboards everyday (Oh Oppo too). Tries again. Not everyone has shitty taste in design like yours.

So, what is shitty about the design?

General consensus doesn't share your opinion but if you could detail the shitty design it would at least lend support to your claim.

Many see the S10 Flagships as the best designs on the market right now. P30 Pro is in the same league. 

Far from shitty.