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Editorial: Apple is neither doomed nor saved now that Jony Ive has moved on
Pretty much every thing you wrote is subjective. In my opinion, because we now have these beautiful retina displays we don’t iOS and prior heavy design. Anyway Apple has slowly been dialing it back in the other direction. Almost to the point where I think some things are too bold now (like the player controls in the music app). But there are a lot of other changes in iOS 13 I really like. I definitely wouldn’t want to go back iOS 6 which looks so dated to me. Of course that’s just my personal preference.dysamoria said:
If you’re an Ive fanboy, maybe you should learn to spell his name.Eric_WVGG said:
Well I would argue/speculate the difference is Forstall was fired, and Ives is just bored out of his mind and amicably departed.rogifan_new said:
Except when Forstall left he barely got a mention by Cook and was not quoted in Apple’s press release at all. Ive was plus gave an interview to discuss it. Of course that doesn’t mean this isn’t just an exit strategy. But the announcement is very different to what happened with Forstall.Eric_WVGG said:> “He's forming his own design firm, and Tim Cook is very clear on how he'll be contributing to Apple going forward. ‘Apple will continue to benefit from Jony's talents by working directly with him on exclusive projects, and through the ongoing work of the brilliant and passionate design team he has built’”
2013: "Scott Forstall will be leaving Apple and will serve as an advisor to CEO Tim Cook in the interim.”
Do you think Scott got more than a birthday card from Cook since leaving the company?
I'm not saying there's bad blood, but this is just corporate-speak. Ive is out.
Anyway I hope you're right. I'm an Ives fanboy; I know the iOS 7 thing was controversial, but ultimately it had to happen. iOS 6 (and Bondi Blue era Mac OS) were embarrassingly garish, this shit had to grow up. Keyboard reliability aside, I love modern Macbooks. Ives brought us the future, full stop.
Also, there was next to nothing wrong with iOS 6’s visual design. My iPhone 4 still runs it because I refused to cripple and uglify it with iOS 7. Every time I use it, I see how beautiful it is compared to today’s ugly iOS. Low contrast UI elements, flat Corel Draw-style oversimplified clipart icons, and borderless text as buttons isn’t the future. It’s a massive detour from the beauty, intuitiveness, and readability that put Apple on top with iOS and iPhone. We have pocket-sized print-level resolution displays with fantastic color capabilities, and the current over-simplistic UI skin barely takes advantage of this.
By the way, that’s all it is: a skin. The only actual GUI change was the control center; everything else is the same UI elements, reskinned as harder to look at (and lacking any visual cues as to what the control is). Dark mode might help, marginally, but it too looks like a clumsy shift to mere tone/color opposites, not a mode made with curated design choices.
I remember when Windows 8 came out. Some thought it was brilliant and the future of UI design; others hated it with a passion. Then Windows 10 came along and it looked more like Windows 7 (a flatter version) than Windows 8.
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Editorial: Apple is neither doomed nor saved now that Jony Ive has moved on
Someone on Twitter posed the theory that Tim Cook is actually dissing Ive but is letting Apple pundits do the dirty work for him. That basically Gruber and others all want continued access to Apple so if they’re being at all critical it’s tacitly approved from Apple HQ. I think this is the worst of the hot takes I’ve seen so far.
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Editorial: Apple is neither doomed nor saved now that Jony Ive has moved on
No idea. Even if he was, being a consultant for Snapchat is a pretty big step down from being a SVP at Apple. But maybe he didn’t want another big corporate role.mikethemartian said:
Doesn’t he work as a consultant for Snapchat?rogifan_new said:
If Forstall was so important how come no other tech company has hired him since he left Apple?macplusplus said:
Why would Forstall return? Steve Jobs has returned because he was an entrepreneur, we can’t charge Forstall with such a burden. I don’t deny his talent and contribution but I don’t see Apple in such a critical position as to issue calls to old comrades.McJobs said:Jonathan is not walking away. He was pushed. The runway is now clear for Scott Forstall return.
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Editorial: Apple is neither doomed nor saved now that Jony Ive has moved on
I see Gruber is doing an emergency podcast with Ben Thompson about this news. Because of course what is needed is more hot takes that aren’t fully formed.
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Editorial: Apple is neither doomed nor saved now that Jony Ive has moved on
Except when Forstall left he barely got a mention by Cook and was not quoted in Apple’s press release at all. Ive was plus gave an interview to discuss it. Of course that doesn’t mean this isn’t just an exit strategy. But the announcement is very different to what happened with Forstall.Eric_WVGG said:> “He's forming his own design firm, and Tim Cook is very clear on how he'll be contributing to Apple going forward. ‘Apple will continue to benefit from Jony's talents by working directly with him on exclusive projects, and through the ongoing work of the brilliant and passionate design team he has built’”
2013: "Scott Forstall will be leaving Apple and will serve as an advisor to CEO Tim Cook in the interim.”
Do you think Scott got more than a birthday card from Cook since leaving the company?
I'm not saying there's bad blood, but this is just corporate-speak. Ive is out.
