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cloudguy said:

sflocal said:

CheeseFreeze said:

Yup, this is the Apple I know as a developer. They are like the mafia. Time they get in serious trouble with the EU and get forced to clean house.

You're that rude guest that enters someone else's house, and then whine about how the owner runs it.

I you want the wild-west and anything-goes mentality, then stick to developing on Android.  The reason iOS is so popular and profitable is for those exact reasons you hate it.

As a developer myself, I remember the days of boxed software and self-marketing and particularly all the overhead.  

Ummm ... Android is even more popular and even more profitable. Android market share: 85%. Android app revenue when ALL app stores are added in including the #1 app market in the world - China - that Google Play is not present: more than the App Store and has been for years. Of course, I am not saying that Apple should adopt Google's model and I am particularly not saying that the government should force them to. But it is past time for people like you to finally admit that both the Android and the iOS models are extremely successful. Google rode Android from being a tiny company that was legitimately threatened with being run out of business by the combination of Yahoo and Microsoft to a $1 trillion valuation. Had it not been for Android, Google would be a unit of Microsoft, Yahoo, Oracle or even Tencent by now. Seriously, check Google's market cap in 2011, before Android really took off thanks to the Samsung Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note, and now. 

And as a former developer myself, I remember when the vast majority of software sales were via direct download over the Internet to Windows PCs. Only a tiny percentage of software sales came from CDs and DVDs. And if you were on Linux, you downloaded your software over the Internet exclusively because there was no consumer commercial Linux software market. Let me state this: app stores already existed before the iPhone. And downloading software over the Internet had already long outstripped buying CDs from retail stores as the primary method of software distribution. Haven't you ever heard of download.com? Formerly cnet.com/download? Been around since 1996. Were so big at one point that they actually had a Super Bowl commercial!

These arguments that Apple is pushing are designed to trick two classes of people. 
1. Non-technical people such as the people with degrees in law, political science and economics/business that make up Congress, the judiciary and trade boards. (Note: one of the few judges to side with Google in the Oracle lawsuit over APIs was the one who writes code in his spare time and actually used said APIs.)
2. People under 30 who have basically grown up with iPhones and can't conceive of a world without them. 

Ummm ... Android is even more popular and even more profitable. Android market share: 85%. Android app revenue when ALL app stores are added in including the #1 app market in the world - China 

And as a former developer myself, I remember when the vast majority of software sales were via direct download over the Internet to Windows PCs. Only a tiny percentage of software sales came from CDs and DVDs. And if you were on Linux, you downloaded your software over the Internet exclusively because there was no consumer commercial Linux software market. Let me state this: app stores already existed before the iPhone. And downloading software over the Internet had already long outstripped buying CDs from retail stores as the primary method of software distribution. Haven't you ever heard of download.com? Formerly cnet.com/download? Been around since 1996. Were so big at one point that they actually had a Super Bowl commercial!

stol said:

Wow people. Your list of arguments goes like:

- Go buy an Android
- Write your own OS
- I want this kind of store
- Apple knows better

I'm all in for Apple, but this is nothing like Spotify/Epic. Not allowing a developer, who respects all rules, to continue having an app unless they have in-app purchases is pretty bad attitude - especially when such apps have free tiers.

I just saw today an app which had 1 star reviews because people couldn't find how to register an account. Apple forbids it.
iOS in-app purchases are more expensive than purchasing same product in browser.
This situation is not user-friendly at all...

cloudguy said:

chasm said:

The Google Project Zero team have ironically been excellent at discovering security issues within iOS (et al), so it is great news that one of them will be joining Apple directly. I wish the people in that team were allowed to take charge over the security of Android and the Google Play Store, the major sources of malware and security issues in the mobile world ...

Despite what people who don't use Android insist on believing: 

A) virtually no Android exploits actually impact real world end users
nearly all Android vulnerabilities are due to bypassing Google Play and sideloading

Hackers are actively exploiting StrandHogg, a newly revealed Android vulnerability, to steal users’ mobile banking credentials and empty their accounts, a Norwegian app security company has warned.
[…]
Promon identified the StrandHogg vulnerability after it was informed by an Eastern European security company [Wultra] for the financial sector (to which Promon supplies app security support) that several banks in the Czech Republic had reported money disappearing from customer accounts.