CMA102DL

Trump => FBI^2+NSA^2+CIA^2+WW3

JeffA2 said:

CMA102DL said:

Just to make it clear. I do not think that data in an iPhone should be out of the reach of law enforcement, but the search warrant should go to the rightful owner or user of the phone and afterwards, whomever can give access readily. This way there is no question who can unlock the phone. 

And what will you do if the person won't comply? Waterboard them? Give up and say: "oh, it's ok -- you got away with it." This makes no sense at all.

Actually the San Bernardino County, Department of Public Health (owner of the Farook's work phone) gave consent to the FBI to access the contents in the work phone. Since the San Bernardino County, Department of Public Health could not get the phone unlocked, it is the FBI's job now to "perform" the search if the FBI wants the information. It is the FBI's job (not Apple) to figure a way around the 10 and delete and encryption or hire a contractor or University to help. If Apple were willing and offered to write the "GovOS", then great! But Apple did not offer and now is refusing an unreasonable court order for very good reasons. The FBI should drop this nonsense at once and save this case as a lesson's learned. Not only did the FBI's CTD failed to stop the terrorist attack and now 14 are dead, but then the FBI wrongly advised the San Bernardino County which stopped backup of the remaining phone data to iCloud. And now they are coercing Apple to write a hack OS, which could compromise security for millions of iPhone users. The FBI chief ought to get fired and the entire FBI put out of operation.

Jeff, you come across like a person who would be willing to waterboard and torture innocent people.

What Elspeth said. Great posts.

JeffA2 said:

My house has all those items too (passwords, credit card info, bank info, personally identifiable data i.e. SSN, Doctor info, etc.). And they're not in plain sight. But it's still searchable under warrant. So what's the difference with the phone? Why should data on your phone be beyond the reach of a legal search when that same data is in scope if it's stored elsewhere?

Just to make it clear. I do not think that data in an iPhone should be out of the reach of law enforcement, but the search warrant should go to the rightful owner or user of the phone and afterwards, whomever can give access readily. This way there is no question who can unlock the phone. The San Bernardino County did not have the enterprise software needed in the phone and they cannot access the contents in the phone, the FBI screwed up the password, and Apple is unable to access the contents in the phone. At this stage, the FBI should write it off and let it go instead of twisting Apple's arm to write a compromised OS. If the FBI truly cared about the data in the phone and not about undermining Apple's data security, all those involved in the password mistake including Comey should be terminated immediately for incompetence. I do not see that happening, so Apple and American people should not have to help with the case and sacrifice an inch of security.

Jeff, you are a government lapdog.

The Government is using the Al Writs Acts because it considers that Apple is able to help in the San Bernardino case and that this help is not unreasonably burdensome. However, if Apple's situation changes., i.e., all key employees quit, then the Government cannot possibly hold Apple in contempt. The court order requiring Apple to develop a backdoored OS cannot be fulfilled. Apple would be off the hook. The sad part of the fbi vs Apple case is that the government has nothing to lose (in one sense). You and I and the US tech industry have everything to lose. There would be a lack of trust in American products and American products would not sell well (guess this would be a loss to the US Govt in tax revenue). Anyone using Apple products (US citizens and permanent residents included) could potentially be more vulnerable to theft and government spying. The precedence will enable the US Govt to go after other tech companies using encryption. In the meantime, terrorists have been tipped off already regardless of who wins this case. They will use other communication means (i.e., PlayStation 4 was used in the Paris attacks).