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9secondkox2 said:

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spheric said:

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The point is, that some on this forum have been attacking the president for @lying” about the phone, when in fact, up to this point? He’s said nothing. That is a false claim. 

Again: 

https://www.trump.com/media/trump-mobile-launches-a-bold-new-wireless-service

“Trump Mobile is also excited to announce it will release the “T1 Phone” in August. It is a sleek, gold smartphone engineered for performance and proudly designed and built in the United States”

That is a lie. It’s on Trump.com — which, I must assume, is the current president’s commercial website. 

You said president Trump made that quote. He did not. Period. 

That is the website of the trump organization which was handed off to his kids years ago. 

Ah, I wasn’t aware. Yep, he still owns it, but his kids are running it since 2017. Okay. Fair point. 

Notably this is not a blind trust. The president is free to ask questions and give direction as his sons “run” the company that he still owns and profits from. 

I can't even fathom how deep someone has to be into the MAGA cult to claim that the convicted felon has no knowledge of the very organization that he's running. I feel bad for the American people in general for being raped (literally in some cases) by this convict, but I don't feel bad for the enablers that both support him on the top end or the idiots on the bottom end, which are the oddly the loudest voices that prop him him as some sort of deity.

No one made that claim. Another straw man. In my family, we are all in different businesses. When we get together we catch up. No doubt the Trump family does at least that - like any other human beings. 

That wasn’t the issue. It has been claimed that President Trump was involved in the venture, even claiming that he made marketing statements on its behalf. Simply not true. Don’t know how deep you have to go into the hater club to pretend people don’t act like people or put words into their mouths to pretend to have something against them. 

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9secondkox2 said:

spheric said:

9secondkox2 said:

The point is, that some on this forum have been attacking the president for @lying” about the phone, when in fact, up to this point? He’s said nothing. That is a false claim. 

Again: 

https://www.trump.com/media/trump-mobile-launches-a-bold-new-wireless-service

“Trump Mobile is also excited to announce it will release the “T1 Phone” in August. It is a sleek, gold smartphone engineered for performance and proudly designed and built in the United States”

That is a lie. It’s on Trump.com — which, I must assume, is the current president’s commercial website. 

You said president Trump made that quote. He did not. Period. 

That is the website of the trump organization which was handed off to his kids years ago. 

Ah, I wasn’t aware. Yep, he still owns it, but his kids are running it since 2017. Okay. Fair point. 

9secondkox2 said:

Trump Mobile should have partnered with Purism. 

https://puri.sm/

Then they’d have a much better claim to “made in the USA” and also avoided the perpetual privacy risk that is android. 

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spheric said:

Whichever way Tr*mp won, whether the systematic disenfranchisement of non-Republican voters is legitimate or not: 

We learn here that Tr*mp supporters are apparently fine with him just outright lying about the phone being "made in America". 

Noted. 

Where did “he” (President Donald J Trump) say that? Cite your source. 

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pianoman1962 said:

The guy is lying through his teeth... again. Well, no surprise there. He's not fit to run a boy scouts group, let alone a country.

Lying about what? Have you heard him speak about this at all? 

It's fascinating, if a bit sad, to watch you pivot right here in this thread from acknowledging that this is junk and 'not a good look' to trying really hard to pretend like Donald Trump has nothing to do with it. 

Of course he has everything to do with it. If he didn't, shouldn't we expect him to have already stepped up to a podium and declared that in order to protect the integrity of the Office of the President, that he must publicly insist that his sons cease and desist in this crass effort to profit from his presidency? Shouldn't he be saying, as President, he holds the public trust as sacrosanct, and he won't tolerate this or any future efforts to sully the presidency with tacky profiteering schemes? Of course he hasn't said any of that, because this was presented to him and endorsed by him before they went public with it. If he wasn't, he would have been blind-sided and publicly angry about it. 

Trump's silence on the matter is part of the problem, not the plausible deniability that you're trying to sell. 

I asked a simple objective question. The things some people try to attach to the issue simply have not presented themselves in reality. 

Best to stick with facts over conjecture. If it comes out thst this was “45/57” pulling the strings, so be it. But from all available info so far, there appears to be distance there. That’s simple fact. 

Yes, it looks like a lame offering. From a lame phone to a service of unknown quality to poor graphic design/web design, and cringeworthy “marketing,” to the whole thing just being an MVNO with a couple third party services attached to your phone bill, it’s just not compelling. And it is a bit cringeworthy. 

Is it wrong for the Trump family organization to offer this? Is it wrong to have the marketing loosely but obviously connected to the fact that their dad Donald J Trump is the 45th and 47th president? (The 47 Plan / $47.45, etc) Is it wrong to include “Mske America Great Again” on the phone wallpaper? Doubtful. Is it cringe and unappealing? Sure. I dont disagree. 

Why would the president need to be vocal about something he doesn’t have anything to do with? He might think it’s cool his kids are doing their own thing here. And? It’s not like Trump has the best aesthetic taste in the world. Sprinkling gold on everything isn’t aesthetically appealing, nor is his choice of architecture, hairstyle, spray tan, etc. but I’m sure he’s happy his kids have taken some initiative and no doubt is ok with it. Doesn’t mean he’s behind it or is wrong somehow for not getting vocal or involved against it in some other way. 

I get that this forum is predominantly hostile toward the president to say the least. And folks such as myself are in the minority here, even having moderators suggest putting such views on “ignore.” And it’s not like the president is perfect. There are plenty of things to disagree on. But nitpicking every little thing snd even nitpicking stuff that just isn’t there is too much. It becomes like the boy who cried wolf. After a while, it just becomes noise. 

But this issue is simply the man’s family doing their own thing snd banking on their dads popularity. Trump himself has not been proven to be involved, nor is there any evidence of such that I’ve seen. And I’ve been looking. If that changes, so be it. But let’s stick with the facts for now. 

You know what, you're right. There's no evidence that the phone covered in fake gold coloring with the initial of the President, running a service named after the President, focused on promoting an initiative of building in the US created by the President being made by the company the President still controls according to financial filings, has anything to do with the President.

We should all learn to reason this way. we'd all be much happier. He also isn't earning any money from crypto or bible sales and is personal friends with the Easter Bunny.

All that and still no evidence. If it comes out that tje president is pulling the strings on this venture, then you will have some fodder. But it doesn’t appear to be the case at the moment. An initial? *gasp!* the same initial that the guys kids have? Egad. 

Each of the other ventures have their own nuance. And they can each be discussed as well. However, The subject of this thread is the new Trump Mobile service. And at least up to now, there is no evidence DJT is running this. Or even involved at all. 

I've got a bridge to sell you. And don't worry, the sun will be back tomorrow.

but in all seriousness, I'm not sure why this is a topic. Who cares. He's still running the trust that handles all of this and he benefits financially. His trademarked name being thrown on random stuff is just another grift. It's illegal, but that doesn't matter to the guy that wipes his ass with the constitution.

Can't wait to see this catastrophic failure of a device blow up in people's faces, literally. 

Bro. No need to get emotional. There’s just no evidence the president is behind this. At least not now, if ever. 

But seriously. Do yourself a favor and delete both your post that I’m quoting this reply of mine. 

That last statement is a very irresponsible thing to say and sounds like you wish violent harm on people simply for supporting this venture of the Trump organization. 

As much as we disagree I don’t think that’s your character. You are better than that. Just delete this one and the post I’m quoting you on. 

It is a baffling leap that you're going to "That last statement is a very irresponsible thing to say and sounds like you wish violent harm on people simply for supporting this venture of the Trump organization."

We get it, you like Trump, to the point of fealty. Fine, you do you. But, I know you've got the mental skill to avoid the association what Wes said with the wish for violent harm. That is absolutely a ridiculous assessment. You've also got the mental acuity to realize that the president knows about this and is okay with profiteering on the back of selling a shitty Chinese Android phone that probably sells to retailers for $80, for $500.

We've got other confirmations that this is the phone Trump Mobile is using. T-Mobile stopped selling the first version of it for safety reasons, that aren't RF related. What's left?

Seriously, get over yourself. You're not a martyr. Knock it off.

I am not ashamed of support for the president. I voted for the guy. Fealty? LOL. I simply agree with him most of the time. And I am in good and populace company. That doesn't mean I turn my brain off or somehow that I am anathema to an Internet forum that I have been a member of predating all of you. 

You have to read what he wrote without a biased viewpoint. The guy literally wrote that he hopes the phones explode ("blow up") in peoples faces. Then he put "literally." Not figuratively. "Literally." It was an objectively irresponsible post. This in the days of actual assassination attempts, people getting bricks thrown at them, having their vehicles burned to the ground, etc. 

I had posts removed (by Hilliard) for stuff like this"Liz Warren lied about her ethnicity" and used a popular Native American historical character name for her such as many others have. But Wes over here posts this and you actually DEFEND it? Seriously? It's OK to post you hope some product blows up/explodes in people's literal faces? That's the AppleInsider stance? If anything moderators should be held to a higher standard. But they aren't even held to the same standard as a regular member.

Never said I was a martyr or wherever you are going with that. Sometimes you guys get it wrong. Don't be offended and then go after the little forum member who pointed it out. It's getting to the point of bullying. I would expect this from Wes. Not from you. 

You say you have other confirmations about the phone. What are they? Are they more grounded than that guy's X post? Because it's quite clear that most if not all of the actual phone is totally different than the REVVL. If it's the same processors or whatever then what is the big deal. What's the difference between that and what HP, Dell, Sony, Samsung, etc. do? I don't doubt that at least most of it's made in China, if not the whole thing. What seems off is that it's a REVVL with some gold/beige plastic slapped on.

What's funny is that I agree it's a junk phone and a cringeworthy thing to do. But when I don't take that and turn it into some weapon to use against the President, who doesn't seem involved, then I get stuff like this coming down the pike. When I use critical thinking and ask commons sense questions or point out some visual discrepancies, then all of a sudden I get this. 

Look, when Wesely and I had our interaction, it was late. I figured no one would see his post and tried to encourage him to take it down, since it sounded pretty bad. I don't dislike Wes. I disagree with him quite a bit. But I thought it was a neighborly thing to do to remind someone who was obviously heated to check himself before he said something he would regret and gave him the chance to take it down. Even encouraged him to delete my response so no one needed to see it. But I guess that kind of thing is somehow bad or a martyr complex. 

wow.