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UrbaneLegend said:

jmey267 said:

Stop with this max price crap who cares. But for comparison here you go HP Z8 G4 Workstation 28 cores, 2.2 GHz base frequency | Intel Xeon Platinum 8276 1.5TB (12x 128GB) of 2933MHz DDR4 ECC Registered Memory 4TB SATA3 2.5" Solid-State Drive Slim DVD Writer NVIDIA Quadro GV100 32GB NVIDIA Quadro GV100 32GB Intel X550-T2 | Dual-Port | RJ45 | PCIe 3.0 | 10GbE Network Adapter Intel 8260 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac & Bluetooth 4.2 PCIe Card Windows 10 Professional 64-bit $50,175

The HP looks better value, the HP uses a $16,000 CPU. It'll also come with far better on-site service support and maintenance too.

The real issue is the Mac Pro is being marketed towards creative professionals both video and 3D professionals. Creative pros like me are buying Threadripper based workstations and filling them with nVidia GPUs. At every price point the Mac Pro is at least twice the price and slower than an equivalent PC. You often read on this forum that Professionals are not price conscious, we are especially when we can build two faster workstations for the price of one Mac Pro. Why on earth would we want to spend more and get less?

The real world is moving to PCIe 4.0, Threadrippers will be available in 48 and 64 core counts for a fraction of the price of Apple's upgrade price alone early next year. Next gen GPUs from AMD and nVidia are expect in the first half of next year which will make the mid range Vega GPUs in the Mac Pro look obsolete. Come on Apple that 580x in the base config is a rebranded 3 year old GPU! It's a sub $200 card in the real world!

I agree stop with the Max Price nonsense and look at the real comparison between the state of art in PC tech and this anachronism Apple has just released. I can see absolutely no good reason to buy the Mac Pro as a creative professional.

elijahg said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

elijahg said:

These do look very nice, especially good that they seem to be putting some effort into having a decent GPU now. Shame it's not Nvidia, but still we can't expect Apple to get over their spat with Nvidia for at least 7 years. The keyboard change is really an admission that the butterfly mechanism was a bad design. If the third iteration was reliable, Apple wouldn't have changed back. I do think there is some psychology in that decision, but still.

It does seem that as soon as the world starts to catch up to the connectors on Apple's current computers, they switch to something else. HDMI is becoming fairly ubiquitous, but now we need an adapter. HDMI is thin enough to fit on the Macbook, there is no reason to not include it. It's incredibly useful to be able to connect to devices without an adapter. No worries if you forget it, or don't know you're going to need it before you leave. I've replaced the presenting PC with my 13" 2015 MacBook several times when people have had issues, which wouldn't be possible without its built-in HDMI.

Mike Wuerthele said:

freethinking said:

sudden outbreak of common sense, maybe finally a decent keyboard again to replace the pieces of shit they put in over past years and a proper "esc" key is the right call ... excellent! its progress in the right direction but it looks like it still needs $100+ dollars of adapters to do anything useful.

how hard is it to make a "pro" machine that does not need an adapter to plug into HDMI (essentially what is required by any presentation in business or education) .

but non butterfly keyboard and a decent 'esc' key is already a good first step to get back to the formerly brilliant mac book pros.

No adapter required. $18.

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-USB-C-Supporting-Black/dp/B073H9RG9T/

That's still an adapter, it adapts from one format to another, just all in one cable.

It is no more an adapter than a HDMI to HDMI cable is, or a HDMI to mini-HDMI. USB-C literally contains the HDMI spec.

Adapter:

• noun One that adapts, such as a device used to effect operative compatibility between different parts of one or more pieces of apparatus.

It's an adapter. But in any case, the majority of projectors have HDMI, the majority of projectors plug directly into older Macbooks (and most PCs) with no adapter, and the cable is usually provided already. But with the USB-C Macs, you need an adapter. Oh sorry, I mean a special cable with two different ends to adapt the USB-C port.

Many many business conference rooms with projectors have HDMI wired into the wall. None have USB-C. Good luck finding a USB C TV or a non-portable USB C projector too. Yes I'm sure they'll come, but forcing this incompatibility on users is annoying, when having both would provide a transition period. The industry is moving to USB-C, and will be all the better for it, but Apple making it harder to use their Macs won't speed up the industry. It'd be like saying EVs are here, need to stop all petrol production tomorrow. It's never anywhere near as fast as Apple likes to think it is in their Silicon Valley bubble.

SpamSandwich said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

SpamSandwich said:

No listing of all the ports and connectors? THAT is what separates a pro computer from the incapable POS’ we’ve been getting called MacBook Pro.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. This remains a crazy take on Thunderbolt 3.

Wow. Nice insult, Mike. Real people don’t expect to invest in all new accessories and adapters every time they eventually replace their old outdated MacBook Pro. There should be an expectation of some backward compatibility.

tyler82 said:

It takes a $30,000 Mac Pro to make electronic music? Kind of a waste of hardware. This is a workstation for extremely complex video editing, bitcoin processing, and extremely complex mathematical formulas.