holyone

The Apple legion is a hilarious bunch, when Google was caught doing the very same thing for the very same reasons they were lambasted, but Apple gets caught and subsequently stops not because they 'Apple' found some horrendous oversight in their supposed customer first process but because like Google they did the most sensible/deceptive thing in persuit of a better AI but were caught and exposed, LOL . Its going to be so funny when Apple finally realizes howmuch data it takes to make competent AI and has to do a u-turn on this privacy nonsense.  

kruegdude said:

holyone said:

seanismorris said:

AppleExposed said:

genovelle said:

mac_dog said:

OUCH! That’s going to leave a mark. 

The possible retaliation has the potential to  wreck havoc on our entire economy. 

One knockoff manufacturer will do nothing, unless you mean retaliation which will hurt both parties.

I don’t think you realize how large and influential Huawei is...

Is every company that uses Android in some of their products going to be a “knockoff” manufacturer?

From wiki:
Huawei had over 188,000 employees as of September 2018, around 76,000 of them engaged in Research & Development (R&D).[5][6] It has 21 R&D institutes around the world.[7][8] As of 2017 the company invested US$13.8 billion in R&D.[9][10]
In December 2018, Huawei reported that its annual revenue had risen to US$108.5 billion in 2018 (a 21% increase over 2017).[16]

Huawei might be #1 (in importance) in the 5G rollout globally if it wasn’t for the trade war.  I’m as concerned about the IP theft as anyone, but Huawei is also a global innovator.  Everyone is better off if we can get a deal in place ASAP.

My question is what exactly is stoping China announcing tomorrow that everything Apple Inc. is now banned and Tim has 3 months to fuck off ( in those exact words), it seems to me that this has potential to get real hilarious, what am I missing ?

 Though I get the crying over IP theft and the deficit I have to ask however, since no American company is forced to operate in China and all companies enter China knowing full well the cost and requirements why is no one asking Apple why the fuck  they give up their IP in China ? Isn't that a more prudent question ?

There's a price to pay for market access everywhere India requires local manufacturing for example, we may talk about those costs being too high and/or unfair but Apple doesn't seam to think so, otherwise why are they in China or any other place ? If that country is so despicable then why go there ?, also why is Apple or any America based conglomerates' IP always referred to as American IP ? What does America have to do with Apple property, doesn't that belong to its share holders around the world ?

Just asking coz I'm really curious i'm not American so this all seems just weird to me.

What’s weird to me are all these little straw man fetish plays that come out in the comments. As in “Tim has three months to fuck off”?

That was just cheeky take on how I think Huawei must be feeling, that this is Trump's way of saying to them as a company to leave/fuck off as a way of dealing with the Chinese Govenment on trade, not sure how that's straw man. There's really nothing compelling I've read here that could stop China from banning not just iPhone manufacturing but sale in China as a reply which would be funny.

StrangeDays said:

holyone said:

seanismorris said:

AppleExposed said:

genovelle said:

mac_dog said:

OUCH! That’s going to leave a mark. 

The possible retaliation has the potential to  wreck havoc on our entire economy. 

One knockoff manufacturer will do nothing, unless you mean retaliation which will hurt both parties.

I don’t think you realize how large and influential Huawei is...

Is every company that uses Android in some of their products going to be a “knockoff” manufacturer?

From wiki:
Huawei had over 188,000 employees as of September 2018, around 76,000 of them engaged in Research & Development (R&D).[5][6] It has 21 R&D institutes around the world.[7][8] As of 2017 the company invested US$13.8 billion in R&D.[9][10]
In December 2018, Huawei reported that its annual revenue had risen to US$108.5 billion in 2018 (a 21% increase over 2017).[16]

Huawei might be #1 (in importance) in the 5G rollout globally if it wasn’t for the trade war.  I’m as concerned about the IP theft as anyone, but Huawei is also a global innovator.  Everyone is better off if we can get a deal in place ASAP.

My question is what exactly is stoping China announcing tomorrow that everything Apple Inc. is now banned and Tim has 3 months to fuck off ( in those exact words), it seems to me that this has potential to get real hilarious, what am I missing ?

 Though I get the crying over IP theft and the deficit I have to ask however, since no American company is forced to operate in China and all companies enter China knowing full well the cost and requirements why is no one asking Apple why the fuck  they give up their IP in China ? Isn't that a more prudent question ?

There's a price to pay for market access everywhere India requires local manufacturing for example, we may talk about those costs being too high and/or unfair but Apple doesn't seam to think so, otherwise why are they in China or any other place ? If that country is so despicable then why go there ?, also why is Apple or any America based conglomerates' IP always referred to as American IP ? What does America have to do with Apple property, doesn't that belong to its share holders around the world ?

Just asking coz I'm really curious i'm not American so this all seems just weird to me.

What a naive perspective. Why doesn't China kick out all of Apple? Jobs. Manufacturing jobs. Of the most successful product in human history, the iPhone, and all of their other products. Not to mention that even the Chinese recognize iPhone is better than the knockoffs, which is why the tweets championing the knockoffs are posted on...iPhones. Oops.

As for "crying over IP theft", you seem to be suggesting that Apple and other US companies should be OK with IP theft and corporate espionage in return for manufacturing in China. That there is a quid pro quo relationship -- as if the Chinese firms weren't in fact being paid for the manufacturing jobs by the client that hired them to build, not steal.

Curious victim blaming. It's like saying of a mugging victim, "But he's rich! He can afford to be mugged!" riiiight

Lol strange you are basically suggesting that Apple is singularly responsible for a large enough % of Chinise jobs that their economy would take a hit if Apple took their manufacturing somewhere else, major lol, funy that in your obnoxious retort you completely fail to mention how important Chinise customers are to Apple (second only to US) which is probably a bit more important to Apple than manufacturing.

As to the rest of you're misguided drivel on IP, American companies ARE NOT FORCED TO OPPERATE IN CHINA, you're mugging anology is false equivalence, Chinise culture on IP is different from the rest of the world, it's not seen as theft over there , I can agree that  theft is wrong but why is Apple not making these complaints ? If you're rich victim doesn't mind being mugged because his mugger helps him get even richer why is there a problem ?

There's a reason why Apple has said nothing on these issues despite Tim's over advertised stances on everything moral. Why you feel Apple is being victimized when they've indicated nothing of the sort is amusing.  

seanismorris said:

AppleExposed said:

genovelle said:

mac_dog said:

OUCH! That’s going to leave a mark. 

The possible retaliation has the potential to  wreck havoc on our entire economy. 

One knockoff manufacturer will do nothing, unless you mean retaliation which will hurt both parties.

I don’t think you realize how large and influential Huawei is...

Is every company that uses Android in some of their products going to be a “knockoff” manufacturer?

From wiki:
Huawei had over 188,000 employees as of September 2018, around 76,000 of them engaged in Research & Development (R&D).[5][6] It has 21 R&D institutes around the world.[7][8] As of 2017 the company invested US$13.8 billion in R&D.[9][10]
In December 2018, Huawei reported that its annual revenue had risen to US$108.5 billion in 2018 (a 21% increase over 2017).[16]

Huawei might be #1 (in importance) in the 5G rollout globally if it wasn’t for the trade war.  I’m as concerned about the IP theft as anyone, but Huawei is also a global innovator.  Everyone is better off if we can get a deal in place ASAP.

My question is what exactly is stoping China announcing tomorrow that everything Apple Inc. is now banned and Tim has 3 months to fuck off ( in those exact words), it seems to me that this has potential to get real hilarious, what am I missing ?

 Though I get the crying over IP theft and the deficit I have to ask however, since no American company is forced to operate in China and all companies enter China knowing full well the cost and requirements why is no one asking Apple why the fuck  they give up their IP in China ? Isn't that a more prudent question ?

There's a price to pay for market access everywhere India requires local manufacturing for example, we may talk about those costs being too high and/or unfair but Apple doesn't seam to think so, otherwise why are they in China or any other place ? If that country is so despicable then why go there ?, also why is Apple or any America based conglomerates' IP always referred to as American IP ? What does America have to do with Apple property, doesn't that belong to its share holders around the world ?

Just asking coz I'm really curious i'm not American so this all seems just weird to me.

caladanian said:

Am I the only one who would like sharper edges and USB-C like in the newest (so elegant) iPad? I never likes the round edges.

That design seems to be well liked, Youtube's "Everything Apple Pro" is obsessed with it, but I suspect that the flat side of the new iPads are primarily so that the magnitopencil can stick to them nicely. I do think they will revisit that design at some point though, personally I like the round edge's asthetics, but yeah the 4-5 iP series felt great in the hand.