GeorgeBMac

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GeorgeBMac said:

I'm not sure about the rest of them, but CMU is a three hour drive from there.

Three hours is a typical commute in Silicon Valley, and 3000 jobs is just the Intel jobs that doesn’t take into account all the support business’ that will pop up to fill the ongoing support needs of a Fab Facility. By keeping technology in the region other tech businnes’ might spring up creating a technology center where local engineering schools can send students for internships.

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Japhey said:

For the love of God, can we just once have a civil conversation around here without the 2 resident sleeper agents sowing their pro-China/anti-American propaganda seeds? 

Just once? I don’t ask for much, but literally JUST ONE TIME. 

Ugh. 

You only want to listen to good words for US. Why there are some people on AI allowed to say bad words on China? Isn't this double standard, or no empathy? 

No one is saying bad words about China, and your hyper-defensiveness and propaganda is disruptive to interesting conversation.  Put a sock in it.

Completely false. I was replying to the poster that claims US is trying to compete with China on semiconductor. This is the real hyper-defensiveness and propaganda is disruptive to revitalize US semiconductor industry. The fact of the truths is China has no domestic semiconductor industry. It depends on imports of chips. In fact, China spends more money importing chips than importing crude oils. On the other hand, the semiconductor industry was founded by US for more than 40 years. Claiming investing 52 billion is hyper-defensiveness and propaganda.

Tell me which facts I stated is untrue? When you bash me on saying there is no 13" MacBook Pro as untrue. You provided fact. This is a good way of discussing. How come when I discuss China-US relations you can't do the same? Instead you use bs words attacking me. 

Simply not true.

Here's one link, though many others are available: https://www.semiconductors.org/chinas-share-of-global-chip-sales-now-surpasses-taiwan-closing-in-on-europe-and-japan/

And then there's the Taiwan situation too.

The USA taking steps to shore up their domestic semi-conductor industry is entirely in response to China.  You're talking utter nonsense as you fall over yourself to defend China and sow disruption.  And it's very obvious.

You are wrong. You did not read carefully. This article says Chinese companies sell $39.8 billion in total annual sales in 2020. But the global semiconductor sales is projected to exceed $600 billion. https://www.semiconductors.org/global-semiconductor-sales-increase-24-year-to-year-in-october-annual-sales-projected-to-increase-26-in-2021-exceed-600-billion-in-2022/
And according to this article, China consumes 60% of global semiconductors. http://https//daxueconsulting.com/chinas-semiconductor-industry/
I left the remaining math to you. Are you capable of doing math? You are being brainwashed. Poor guy! I feel sorry for you. 

So?  You said that China has no domestic industry, not that Chinese imports exceed their exports.  Sort out what you think before bleating please.

You said US spend $52 billion to compete with China semiconductor industry. I have proved you are hyper-defensiveness and propaganda. China semiconductor industry is only a small fraction. 

I never said that.  I said that they were a response to China.  Because Chinese share is growing the USA are taking measures to secure the technology and their supply chain.  That the Chinese element is currently a small fraction is immaterial, the fact that it is growing is what is important.

So US is trying to maintain a monopoly to prevent competition. This is illegal. This is a violation of the most fundamental principle of US. 

No it isn't.  And what "fundamental principle" are you even talking about?

Bit of change in argument there buddy.  Almost like you realised you didn't have a leg to stand on so needed to pivot.  Which somewhat suggests that your only intention is to confuse and distort the issue, not any good faith debate.  How very interesting.

You are ignorant. US Congress is passing law against big hi-tech companies. https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/225902/senate-judiciary-committee-advances-antitrust-bill-targeting-big-tech#latest
What fundamental principle US Congress used? You are so poor needing me to educate.
I did not change subject. I am responding to your words. "USA are taking measures to secure the technology and their supply chain."

Sure buddy, keeping spewing out nonsense.  Everyone knows you're full of it.

You are wordless now. LOL

It's true, I have no idea what to respond with when you've given me such a pile of halfwit rubbish.  I don't dispute that the US is passing laws against hi-tech companies.  What has that got to do with anything?  And yes, you'll need to tell me what the "fundamental principle" of the USA is, as I'm not aware of any such thing.  I doubt anyone in the USA is either, since you've just made it up.

And you did change the subject. The thread is about Intel manufacturing, then you picked a fight about semiconductors in China and then when challenged you started interjecting random stuff about the US Congress, and a fundamental principle of the USA. You're floundering dude, not making any sense.

What a fool! You don't know what anti-trust means. And you don't know what is the fundamental principle of US. Our discussion is going nowhere because you don't understand these two things. 

On that we agree.

Poor guy. The original article you posted is a total distortion. 
https://www.semiconductors.org/chinas-share-of-global-chip-sales-now-surpasses-taiwan-closing-in-on-europe-and-japan/
Why it focuses on Taiwan? Taiwan chip sales is only a fraction. And the article omitted the total global chip sales which is approaching $600 billion. And it also omitted the fact that China consumes 60% of global chips. 

Last year I posted here said the fallacy of US toward China is like the story of blind men trying to know what is an elephant. Each man stated an observation which is a fact. But the fact is far from the truth what an elephant looks like. Your article stated a fact. On the surface it try to pretend it is the truth of what China's semiconductor industry looks like. It is a distortion because it omitted the two facts I found. 

Sigh.

Why does it focus on Taiwan?  Because Taiwan is the closest rival and comparison.
Taiwan chip sales is only a fraction?  Sure, Every country's sales will only be a fraction. That's basically the definition of a fraction, a part of the whole.  
The article omitted the total global chip sales?  Maybe, but are they relevant in tracking China's growth?  Not really.  Growth is measure by where are you were and where you are, not where the globe is.

And once again, none of this is even remotely the point.  I posted the article to show that you were incorrect when you said "China has no domestic semiconductor industry", which was patently false.

You seem to think an article is false because it doesn't contain every conceivable fact that you can fling at the wall.  That's not how things work at all, and your desperation to win an argument by twisting and writhing it around until it doesn't even slightly resemble the original point of the thread is frankly very transparent and very silly.  

You are a very silly person.

No Chinese companies is in the top ten by sales. https://www.hardwaretimes.com/top-10-semiconductor-companies-q2-2021-by-sales-samsung-regains-1-spot-tsmc-at-3-nvidia-at-7/
China consumes 60% of global chips. Its domestic semiconductor industry is essentially nonexistent. If the growth is very important, Samsung is the largest semiconductor company. Why US was not trying to compete with South Korea when Samsung is growing rapidly. So your using growth as excuse is a fraud. You are very stupid. Your logic is inconsistent. 

South Korea is an ally of the USA, genius.  I really can't be bothered with your idiocy any more this evening.  Good night.

DAalseth said:

Out of curiosity I checked out the price of their treadmills. (I don’t have a bike, but I do have a treadmill). Are they out of their mind? Easily three times the cost of the high end NordicTrac model I have. Admittedly I got mine fifteen years ago but they haven’t gone up that much. 

And no I don’t need some overly eager person encouraging me to work harder. I hated that sort of thing n in high school PE class and I sure as H don’t have any interest in that now. I’m on my treadmill for an hour six days a week and Its all going fine. 

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foregoneconclusion said:

FYI: this is happening in part because $52 billion in federal support for the chip industry was passed by Congress and signed into law. Intel will be getting a grant from the U.S. government as part of the funding. 

Plus a billion dollars from the state of Ohio.

So who exactly is building this plant?  

But, that's OK.   We need to invest in ourselves, our own country, if we want to keep up.   The last 3 decades of austerity have caused us to fall behind in many areas -- not just chips.

It's a wise use of money:   That $52billion came from not having to throw away a billion dollars a week in Afghanistan.  What did that buy us ?

The $52 billion hasn't been passed yet (opposition for various reasons in the House). When it does it is more likely to go to smaller fabs (Texas Instruments, Micron, Tower) instead of Intel.