GeorgeBMac

dewme said:

Not surprising, but fortunately it’s very easy for everyone who subscribes to Amazon Prime to do the math and determine whether it’s worth it for them. For a lot of folks the determination can be made based on delivery costs alone. The value of the extra stuff like photos, music, and video only enter the equation if you’re not getting all of the value/ROI from the delivery service. 

I recognize this is a narrowly focused perspective based on personal economics alone. Like any system there are a number of macro level implications and second order effects to a service like this that makes it so incredibly easy have hard goods ordered on a whim delivered extremely quickly to your door with little to no regard to the true cost of the delivery service.

A quick survey of the number of Amazon vehicles on the road and coursing through neighborhoods nearly all of the time, not to mention the vast tracts of land devoted to fulfillment centers and warehouses, some of which are built on the graves of dead malls and retail stores driven out of business because they could not compete against online retail, and the mountains of cardboard waste (hopefully everyone recycles?) paints a truer cost picture that’s a little harder to do the math on. 

The “eye” is back … staring straight at me. Ugh.

waveparticle said:

Marvin said:

foregoneconclusion said:

All the same people that are complaining about the "pregnant man" emoji are likely playing fantasy based video games on PCs and consoles and thinking nothing of it. "A pregnant man? Ridiculous!  It doesn't exist! Why should I have to see something that doesn't exist on my phone/computer?? I can't believe I had to stop slaying Wyverns in the Witcher to post that!"

The whole controversy is around the vagueness of the terms man and woman. When someone asks 'are trans women, women', this is two separate questions with fairly objective and consistent answers:

- are trans women biological women? No.
- can trans women look like women? Yes.

To ask these two questions as a single question is to make people choose between biological sex and gender identity as the legally defining identity for a person and they both have far reaching consequences. There was a trans man who gave birth but was legally registered as the child's mother on the birth certificate. This person stopped taking testosterone to allow for the pregnancy:

https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a29247727/freddy-mcconnell-trans-man-birth-not-registered-father/

Caitlyn Jenner is currently regarded as a woman but isn't their children's mother, she is their father. Some parts of the world are changing language like using terms birth parent, person who is pregnant, person who menstruates etc and there are women who don't want their biological identity removed.

Clearly this person looks male so in most social circumstances, it makes more sense for him to be identified by his gender identity. If someone walks into the ladies room with a beard, most people would try to stop them. But when that same person is pushing a baby out of his uterus (even these phrases sound wrong - right-click on the word uterus for the definition), it's very hard for people to accept their identity as male.

There was a case recently about a trans woman in a female spa and the other women left the spa to complain, where they got some abuse from other people saying they were being transphobic. That trans woman has been charged with indecent exposure for exposing themselves to young girls:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-02/indecent-exposure-charges-filed-trans-woman-spa

It's not clear how a pre-op trans woman could ever not be charged with indecent exposure in that case.

When people are arguing about whether there can be a pregnant man, they aren't saying pregnant trans men can't exist, they are saying that the act of pregnancy makes them female and is the more important identity because it's what allows the pregnancy to take place.

Some people think this issue will be like gay rights and will just take time to resolve but this issue will be controversial until the end of time because there will never be a consensus on whether biological or gender identity is the more important one in every circumstance.

While a cartoon emoji is a trivial thing, it's not like a unicorn because trans men do exist and it represents the choice to put gender identity ahead of biological identity and not everyone is in agreement with that. Clearly the person above is who the emoji represents.

But most trans women don't look like women if naked. 

Marvin said:

foregoneconclusion said:

All the same people that are complaining about the "pregnant man" emoji are likely playing fantasy based video games on PCs and consoles and thinking nothing of it. "A pregnant man? Ridiculous!  It doesn't exist! Why should I have to see something that doesn't exist on my phone/computer?? I can't believe I had to stop slaying Wyverns in the Witcher to post that!"

The whole controversy is around the vagueness of the terms man and woman. When someone asks 'are trans women, women', this is two separate questions with fairly objective and consistent answers:

- are trans women biological women? No.
- can trans women look like women? Yes.

To ask these two questions as a single question is to make people choose between biological sex and gender identity as the legally defining identity for a person and they both have far reaching consequences. There was a trans man who gave birth but was legally registered as the child's mother on the birth certificate. This person stopped taking testosterone to allow for the pregnancy:

https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a29247727/freddy-mcconnell-trans-man-birth-not-registered-father/

Caitlyn Jenner is currently regarded as a woman but isn't their children's mother, she is their father. Some parts of the world are changing language like using terms birth parent, person who is pregnant, person who menstruates etc and there are women who don't want their biological identity removed.

Clearly this person looks male so in most social circumstances, it makes more sense for him to be identified by his gender identity. If someone walks into the ladies room with a beard, most people would try to stop them. But when that same person is pushing a baby out of his uterus (even these phrases sound wrong - right-click on the word uterus for the definition), it's very hard for people to accept their identity as male.

There was a case recently about a trans woman in a female spa and the other women left the spa to complain, where they got some abuse from other people saying they were being transphobic. That trans woman has been charged with indecent exposure for exposing themselves to young girls:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-02/indecent-exposure-charges-filed-trans-woman-spa

It's not clear how a pre-op trans woman could ever not be charged with indecent exposure in that case.

When people are arguing about whether there can be a pregnant man, they aren't saying pregnant trans men can't exist, they are saying that the act of pregnancy makes them female and is the more important identity because it's what allows the pregnancy to take place.

Some people think this issue will be like gay rights and will just take time to resolve but this issue will be controversial until the end of time because there will never be a consensus on whether biological or gender identity is the more important one in every circumstance.

While a cartoon emoji is a trivial thing, it's not like a unicorn because trans men do exist and it represents the choice to put gender identity ahead of biological identity and not everyone is in agreement with that. Clearly the person above is who the emoji represents.

JustSomeGuy1 said:

Japhey said:

My God do you ever get tired of hearing yourself talk? Who are you to tell everyone what trans people do or do not find insulting? They are more than capable of explaining that themselves, if they so choose. For a little perspective, I suggest you read this article before posting your typical knee-jerk reactionary response…

https://thetranscendentaltourist.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/5-things-cis-people-can-actually-do-for-trans-people-now-that-you-care-about-us/comment-page-2/

Actually read it. 

I don't blame you for being irritated. And it's not your job to put up with irritation. But if you actually want to move the needle, be gentler. (Advice that I try to take myself, though I sometimes fail.) He, unlike others, seems to be willing to make some effort. Honey/vinegar, etc.