Haibane

sog35 said:

mystilleef said:

sog35 said:

mystilleef said:

sog35 said:

mystilleef said:

Specs don't matter. User experience does.

The Pixel is a vessel for Google's AI and Machine learning prowess.

And right now, you'd be hard-pressed to find a phone with a better AI and multimedia experience than the Pixel.

This is why the Pixel is better than any phone Apple has created. And will continue to be better than any Phone Apple will create moving forward.

Unless of course, AI and Machine Learning is just a fad.

We shall see.

People vote with their wallets. 

You can make up all the high sounding jibberish you want. But ultimately its the consumer who decides which phone is the best for the 'real world'

We shall see how many $650 Pixel phones Google sells vs the iPhone7.

That will be the answer to which is the better phone.

The Pixel is not going to sell better than the iPhone 7. It's a new brand. And Google doesn't have the retail and supply chain expertise that Apple has.

However, if Google continues to be at the forefront of AI and Machine Learning, then within the next couple of years, the Pixel will become a serious and formidable contender to the iPhone.

Google with the Pixel brand is the only company that can topple the dominance of the iPhone. Apple should be very worried, considering that they're behind in AI and Machine Learning.

Google over the years has avoided directly competing with Apple, but now, they've just dropped the gauntlet. People are underestimating the Pixel based on specs. That's misguided.

The Pixel's nuclear bomb is AI. It has better smarts than any smartphone. Period. And those smarts are only going to get deeper and more profound as the months and years pass by.

Are you telling me the AI in the Pixel won't be available on $99 Android phones?

And stop acting like Google somehow discovered the AI god-child. Give me a break. Apple already has a huge AI team. IBM, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon.

Stop acting like Google has a monopoly on AI. They don't.

And please explain to me why the average consumer would choose a Pixel phone over an iPhone based on AI? Why?  90% of iPhone users don't even regularly use Siri. Why the hell would they abandon a brand they trust for AI? Give me a break. 

AI on its own is useless. It's how you use it that matters. Google is at the forefront of AI not because they're good at it, but because they've figured out how to harness it in ways that has left plenty of the industry flabbergasted and flatfooted.

A car that drove itself was in the realm of science fiction just a couple of years ago, until Google made it a reality. A computer that could defeat Go was supposed to be many decades away, until Google demolished that myth this year. Indexing the worlds knowledge and making it accessible to all made for a nice corporate mantra, until Google made it happen.

Google has consistently delivered on the promise of AI in a manner that is accessible to anybody, and in a way we take for granted today. That's why Google is better. It's no longer research for Google. They're now ready to unleash it to the world.

If you look at Google's hardware event through the lens of just specs, then yeah, there's nothing to impress. But if you dig deeper and look closely, the specs really don't matter. Google is transitioning from the web to hardware. And hardware is just a vessel for their AI.

Google Home is not out yet, and it's already better than the Amazon echo without even trying. Mind you the Echo probably has the better specs. But specs don't matter beside smarts.

AI isn't the end all be all. Look at Maps. I think you would agree that Google Maps has better AI than Apple Maps. Yet 80% of iPhone users use Apple Maps. PEOPLE. DONT. CARE. 

sog35 said:

Haibane said:

sog35 said:

Haibane said:

sog35 said:

mystilleef said:

sog35 said:

mystilleef said:

Specs don't matter. User experience does.

The Pixel is a vessel for Google's AI and Machine learning prowess.

And right now, you'd be hard-pressed to find a phone with a better AI and multimedia experience than the Pixel.

This is why the Pixel is better than any phone Apple has created. And will continue to be better than any Phone Apple will create moving forward.

Unless of course, AI and Machine Learning is just a fad.

We shall see.

People vote with their wallets. 

You can make up all the high sounding jibberish you want. But ultimately its the consumer who decides which phone is the best for the 'real world'

We shall see how many $650 Pixel phones Google sells vs the iPhone7.

That will be the answer to which is the better phone.

The Pixel is not going to sell better than the iPhone 7. It's a new brand. And Google doesn't have the retail and supply chain expertise that Apple has.

However, if Google continues to be at the forefront of AI and Machine Learning, then within the next couple of years, the Pixel will become a serious and formidable contender to the iPhone.

Google with the Pixel brand is the only company that can topple the dominance of the iPhone. Apple should be very worried, considering that they're behind in AI and Machine Learning.

Google over the years has avoided directly competing with Apple, but now, they've just dropped the gauntlet. People are underestimating the Pixel based on specs. That's misguided.

The Pixel's nuclear bomb is AI. It has better smarts than any smartphone. Period. And those smarts are only going to get deeper and more profound as the months and years pass by.

Are you telling me the AI in the Pixel won't be available on $99 Android phones?

And stop acting like Google somehow discovered the AI god-child. Give me a break. Apple already has a huge AI team. IBM, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon.

Stop acting like Google has a monopoly on AI. They don't.

And please explain to me why the average consumer would choose a Pixel phone over an iPhone based on AI? Why?  90% of iPhone users don't even regularly use Siri. Why the hell would they abandon a brand they trust for AI? Give me a break. 

Actually google has come out and said they won't put the AI on other phones.

So far Alexa has been my favorite experience. I think Amazon is definitely one of the strong contenders. It will be interesting to see how Google's new AI works though once the phones are available and the home device is. Waiting for Apple's home device though because that would be nice to see.

Thats pretty dumb not having AI on other Android devices.

Android is truly imploding from inside. 

If Google really thinks they can change the landscape of smartphones by selling 100k Pixel phones in the next year, they are more arrogant and stupid then I though. They won't even sell 1 million Pixel phones by the end of the year 

They will have an AI, but it will be google now and not Google Assistant.

LOL. 

So Android is going to give Google phones extra features?

Can't wait for Samsung to respond. 

Google just can't help but stab their partners in the back.

sog35 said:

Haibane said:

nolamacguy said:

Haibane said:

sog35 said:

Haibane said:

nolamacguy said:

Haibane said:

nolamacguy said:

koop said:

I think people here aren't going to like this, but iOS/Siri is more of a liability for Apple than it's ever been since the first iPhone. Pixel is basically trying to sell itself on software and artificial intelligence. They are selling this as their A.I. phone. You can giggle about the spec wars, but you're missing the big picture that Google has surpassed Apple in software years ago, and Google is going to drive their "information" advantage into a hardware war that wont be about who has the faster CPU or most RAM. 

I can only imagine in 2030 it's really about what company has the bigger server farms, artificial neural networking and machine learning algorithms that determines which product makes consumers lives the easiest. Not some display resolution or wide color gamut. 

Google has the long game here. We're still figuring out what Apple has besides their phone at this point.

uhh what does google have besides ads? apple's non-iphone revenue is larger than many industry players. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Alphabet this for starters... Nest, Waze, Youtube, Boston Dynamics... or to break it down...

Google home
Google cast
Pixel
Nest Thermostat
Nest Smoke detector
Nest Cameras
Waze- Arguably the best mapping service for traffic
Youtube- Arguably the most watched streaming platform
Boston Dynamics- Robotics

Basically hitting some highlights here. Tons of other products though.

apple's non-iphone revenue is much greater than all of those*. that was my point -- the bogus troll meme that apple is a one-trick pony isn't served by the reality of their product lines revenue. 

* but how how does Google Home or Waze or robotics bring in revenue? and isn't Youtube paid for by ads?

Youtube has a paid service as well as an ad based. Similar to Spotify, but with videos too. Boston Dynamics is known as the leaders in their robotics division based in (duh) Boston. The internet mostly knows them for a reindeer they made that got hit. Obviously, Apple isn't a one trick pony. The Macbook is still arguably the best computer on the market, and people still buy ipod touches over other devices. Plenty of other good products by Apple are out there. I am not sure about Apple's non-iphone revenue being greater than Google's non-ad revenue, but I also don't have those stats.

And what did all those non-ad businesses add up to? BUMPKISS.

Google's non-Ad revenue (other Bets) didn't even reach HALF a billion dollars:



Those other bets you are bragging about lost the company $3.6 BILLION in losses.

Pathetic. 

On the other hand Apple's NON-iPhone revenue was $79 BILLION.  Over 150x more than Google's non-Ad products.

The Apple Watch alone made more revenue than all of Google's non-Ad revenue streams COMBINED. And the Watch made hundreds of millions in profits while Google's non-Ad divisions LOST $3.6 BILLION

What's your point? You obviously don't buy products based on who owns the market otherwise the market would have never been stolen from Microsoft back when Apple didn't have anything, but computers. Product quality has nothing to do with how much a company makes. Heck the popular vote got us Trump and Hillary so if this was a popularity vote we already know where that gets the US. Crap vs crap.

now don't move the goal posts. sog was answering your specific question/stamement - "I am not sure about Apple's non-iphone revenue being greater than Google's non-ad revenue, but I also don't have those stats". now you do. apple's non iphone business is vastly larger than googles non ads, and larger than many big players. 

and this was all in reponse to the guy who said google is playing the long game but all apple has is the iphone. that's the troll trope, and it's bunk. revenue shows they have more than iphone driving their business, and i wouldn't believe they aren't working on "long game" technologies and road maps as well. why wouldn't they?

Yeah my sole purpose of jumping to the comments section was to point out a few key facts the author mis-wrote. There are things I don't like about both devices and things I like about both devices. It is funny to me that the vast majority of features that people complain about google not having are things apple was second to the game with. Waterproofing, two lenses etc... I highly recommend you check out both devices side by side, and if you can afford it get both as they both are a vastly different experience. I pick up my iphone for a few things I prefer to do on it, but I pick up my nexus for most tasks. Movies, flights, etc where i need quick access to an aggregated list of things.

please take a picture of your iPhone7 with your Appleinsider user name written on a piece of paper

I doubt you even own an iPhone7

sog35 said:

sonic2hide said:

sog35 said:

grangerfx said:

Google used the Pixel to launch its Daydream VR. It's too bad that Apple does not have a VR SDK and hardware spec for the iPhone because the iPhone 7 Plus would destroy the Pixel with its vastly better performance and wide color support.

99% of customers don't care for having VR on their phone.

Now imagine if a Samsung Note7 or Pixel blows up in your FACE when doing VR.

IMO, a smartphone should not be a 2 inches from your eyes.

How do you think most people make phone calls? Surely your ears are damn close to your eyes. 

but you are not directly facing your eyes at the phone. If the phone blows up you won't lose your vision when talking on the phone. Plus its very easy to simply drop the phone when you are talking on it.

Good luck dropping a VR unit quickly that is strapped on your face. Not to mention you won't notice the phone overheating since it wont be in your hand. If the phone is in your hand you will notice the heat. 

Phone strapped onto your FACE + overheating phones = exploding phone with very little warning

napoleon_phoneapart said:

RedPanda said:

RedPanda said:

The issue from what I understand is more that Android requires more power and doesn't have the same unity between hardware and software as iOS. Though anyone who's used both high end Apple and Android phones should be able to tell you that there's no real discernible difference. 

I've used both at the high end and there is a discernible difference.