DuhSesame

crowley said:

DuhSesame said:

crowley said:

DuhSesame said:

docno42 said:

DuhSesame said:
No other laptops (except Alienware) can do eGPU+external SSD without any interference. 

Apple SOC doesn't support eGPU and I would expect it's a low priority, if it's even a goal.  Another red herring.  

Pfft.

we’re talking about older Intel models and you wanna switch topics to M1s.

If you don’t understand how it works, I won’t blame you.  Switching conversation is too low for me.  No more arguments.

No one was talking about Intel machines, this entire thread is about the new MacBook Pros.  You should probably get on the same page as everyone else before throwing around accusations that other people don't understand.

Oh are we not?  I said "Intel Macs with eGPU + SSD" but the M1 can't use eGPUs, so Thunderbolt on Intel is also pointless?  We are comparing older Macs to older laptops, aren't we?

Either way, I explained on the post above, he clearly doesn't understand why and I don't want to waste my time.

You literally responded to someone talking about the addition of HDMI and SD and removal of a Thunderbolt port on the new MacBook Pros saying that you'd prefer the bandwidth (of an extra Thunderbolt port) and used an eGPU as your example.  But since the new M1 MacBook Pros are not currently compatible with eGPUs that's a duff example. 

You also never said "Intel Macs with eGPU + SSD".  I searched the entire thread, you never said it. So now I don't think you're engaging in good faith.  And this sentence "the M1 can't use eGPUs, so Thunderbolt on Intel is also pointless?" is just bizarre.  You're just making stuff up.

So no, we are definitely not talking about Intel MacBook Pros.  You are the only person doing that, and yes you are wasting your time and everyone else's.  So please read the thread back, get on the same page, and quit with the telling other people they don't understand.

Marvin said:

melgross said:

When the 27 iMac first came out, it was often described as a $2,500 monitor with a free computer attached. That was true for the less expensive models. But we have to think about what external monitors are really available, and at what prices. As far as I know, there are no reasonably priced monitors of 5K, PCI-3 and true HDR capabilities at anywhere near the price of what the current iMac 27 monitor would go for it it were a separate display. A lot claim true HDR, but they are not. In that area,

Apple’s XDR display is one of the less expensive models. I keep thinking that the iPad 12.9 display is much simpler than the older XDR, but does the same thing—but better. I can’t believe that Apple isn’t redesigning the XDR to better match the iPad and new 16 Macbook Pro displays. I’ve got both, and their displays age better than anything else I’ve seen under several thousand bucks. But how would they scale up to 27-32?  If Apple came out with a 27-29 miniled display for $3,000, I would buy it. Even $3,500 wouldn’t be expensive, considering. 

So which third party true HDR (over 1,000 nits max) display, that’s actually available now, because speculating on anything is hopeless, would you recommend, that’s not in the price range of the XDR?

It's true the 3rd party display options aren't great either, very few go above 4k. The following are listed as 1,000 nits HDR:

https://www.newegg.com/asus-pa32uc-32-uhd/p/0JC-001P-00AF6
https://www.amazon.com/Swift-PG27UQ-G-SYNC-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B07F1VGGLK
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-X27-bmiphzx-Monitor/dp/B07CWDBL39?th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-BM270-LED-LCD-Monitor/dp/B07F8114JT
https://www.amazon.com/Philips-436M6VBPAB-DisplayHDR1000-MultiView-DisplayPort/dp/B07D5S3QCS

Some are quite expensive at ~$2k and they all have bad designs. One option some people have tried is using an OLED TV as a monitor. They are 45"+ but start at around $1000:



The quality is nice but it would need to be sat further away to be usable for a computer screen.





It's strange that LG sells 32" 4k OLED monitors for $4000 but 48" OLED TVs for $1000, maybe it's just down to the size of the target market:

https://www.amazon.com/LG-32EP950-B-Ultrafine-Display-DCI-P3/dp/B097NYL7XS/
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-48-class-c1-series-oled-4k-uhd-smart-webos-tv/6453311.p?skuId=6453311

If they sold a 32" OLED TV, that would be ideal. Of course there's the burn-in issue with OLED.

It seems likely that they should be able to scale up the tech from the 16" XDR display to 27"-32". It's only 4x the size but I definitely think they'll be able to reduce the price on the 32" XDR display while increasing the dimming zones. 32" with 2500+ dimming zones under $3k would be competitive with other monitors. I assume they'll call the 27" iMac the iMac Pro as it will have M1 Pro/Max so it would make sense to have XDR to match the Macbook Pro and iPad Pro lineup.

melgross said:

DuhSesame said:

Marvin said:

indieshack said:

Really…27”? 

27" is fine for size, that's still a big display, especially if it still has some bezels like the 24" but I hope it has the XDR display style because the old-style panels don't display black levels all that well. Here is the XDR next to the iMac, size is ok but the blacks on the other displays are much better and they can display HDR content properly. If they don't put an HDR display in the 27", people would be better buying a MBP with a 3rd party HDR display.

Soooo…. This is the consumer version or it won’t have that many colors.  Guess I was right yesterday.

Maybe Apple will kept the M1?  After all, the only significant improvement with the A15 was power efficiency, but unlike A14, M1 often paired with a fan.

According to Anandtech’s deep dive, and some of Apple’s own specs, they undersold the A15’s performance. It’s not just an A14 with efficiency improvements. People think that the yon;y thing that matters are the CPU and GPU cores, which is no longer true.

Marvin said:

indieshack said:

Really…27”? 

27" is fine for size, that's still a big display, especially if it still has some bezels like the 24" but I hope it has the XDR display style because the old-style panels don't display black levels all that well. Here is the XDR next to the iMac, size is ok but the blacks on the other displays are much better and they can display HDR content properly. If they don't put an HDR display in the 27", people would be better buying a MBP with a 3rd party HDR display.