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Bel.Air said:

This article should be marked as opinion or even hot take. Apart from what other commenters already stated, there are other misunderstood concepts here about Apple app store restrictions:

1) Apple requires the country on your Apple ID account to match the country of the credit card on file. And the App store content is quite different depending on country (which, if you had asked someone from an EU country you would know.).

2) For those still skeptical a simple example of why this is an annoyance: as a EU citizen you travel (visa-free, without a passport - thanks EU!) from Denmark to say, Greece. There, you have NO extra roaming fee (thanks EU!), public health insurance (thanks EU!), and say you want to download the local public transit app for Athens. And surprise surprise, Apple tells you that the app is not available in your country's App store!

From a EU standpoint this is a ridiculous limitatiom, it's non-compliant with single market regulations and the free movement of goods and services across the EU, so of course the European Commission is doing its job by enforcing it. Basically there should be another tier available (call it Region) that developers should take advantage of, instead of only toggling between Global/1 country. It isn't at all that complex and shouldn't be that big of an issue.

Oh dear. You seem to have fallen into the trap that befalls everyone in the EU... the single market is a mirage. It doesn't really exist. Any business can "choose" to sell its products in any country within the EU - in theory - without any issues. But the critical point is that the business gets to "choose" which countries.

It is NOT a consumer right, it is a business trading ability.

There remain, to this day, additional country level laws that prevent certain goods and services being freely traded within the EU - nuclear technology is a pointed example that overrides EU law. Encryption is another, perhaps more pertinent, example. France, for example, requires additional compliance burdens before selling software within the country that contains any kind of cryptography. That's before we even get to issues of contract law, of which the EU has no legal standing (because it is not a country), it is done at the country level.

Your example is also flawed. It is not Apple that restricts the app, it is the developer - the owner of the app. Apple is simply an intermediary. The developer may have chosen not to list the app in a country's App Store for a variety of reasons (one was outlined above), but it could be for any number of reasons. But as the primary business owners of any app on the App Stores it is not for Apple (or the EU for that matter) to decide what countries the app owner wants to distribute their apps in.

There are many other examples that are not software related, but it all comes down to differences in regulations between the countries of the EU. No amount of shouting that it's a "single market" will change the fact that it really isn't the single market it is made out to be.

Mike Wuerthele said:

Madbum said:

Joe Biden needs to go. I am sorry but I am not usually political but this guy is ridiculous 

This started two years into the Trump administration.

It’s irrelevant when it started. Investigation of a potential issue is completely acceptable. One could reasonably argue, which you have done yourself, that the act of kicking off and investigation has resulted in some improvements being made.

The act of charging is the problem here and that is a decision made under the Biden administration. As you point out the grounds are mostly baseless but it’s been done for clearly political reasons that the Biden team consider beneficial to them.

We may may never know what a Trump administration would have done once the investigation completed - though if he wins in November we may find out if it’s withdrawn.

My simple points are as follows:
1. The act of investigating a potential charge, regardless of administration, was a reasonable decision. Investigations are not evidence of wrongdoing.
2. The decision to charge was a Biden administration one - and it’s a(nother) bad decision from the current administration.

avon b7 said:

What Epic did in the US had nothing to do with the EU but what Apple was claiming it would do now had a lot to do with the EU. 

Actually it does. You see if you are/were a developer you would find that the developer contract you sign to be part of the developer program has its legal foundation and authority in US law - therefore the contract is enacted via US law and any disputes are handled via the US legal system.

it doesn’t actually matter what country you want to do business in, as if you breach the contract under US law then you lose all rights to use Apples IP under the terms of the contract, that includes developing on their platforms.

if you can’t develop on Apple’s platforms you can’t get any certificates… you’re finished.

its been basic contract law since time immemorial, and no EU (or any other country’s) law can stop it from being so.

chris_kalan said:

On device VPN apps may not circumvent this, but a router-based VPN should, as the traffic being sent to and from the iPhone will masked at the router level, so the iPhone shouldn't be any the wiser.

iPhones have GPS assist so whilst a proxy location is initially determined by things like WiFi, Cellular network, IP address, etc. After a short time the full GPS satellite driven location is determined. So no, a router based VPN will not help much as location is not IP driven.

I would also guess that the eligibility tag is time stamped, so even if location services were disabled after location eligibility was confirmed, there would be an ongoing requirement to refresh the tag after the “grace period” expired.

jpellino said:

Recently had biz email moved to MS.  I definitely understand why their 2FA is under-used.  

Couldn’t agree more with this. It is far easier for small businesses (I’m talking less than 25 people!) to impose 2FA on MS. Any larger and it becomes a mess for support and massively resource intensive. One of the companies I work for imposed it on 6,000 employees “overnight” and they lost over a month of productivity.

And then there is the single biggest issue with authentication apps where the “backup/sync” option is optional. Most users are not smart enough to turn it on and so they lose access to all of their 2FA codes when they change phones.

It seems the builders of many MFA implementations failed to grasp the basics of UX. Any kind of friction for the end user in getting done what they want to get done will result in the user giving up or finding an easier, usually less secure, way of doing what they want.