muthuk_vanalingam

avon b7 said:

SpamSandwich said:

foregoneconclusion said:

Tariffs flopped so this is the substitute for "getting tough" with China apparently.

In what way did they “flop” exactly? China is clearly getting quite desperate with their increased propaganda, spying and attempts to influence the election.

Realistically speaking Trump claimed trade wars were good and easy to win. You would have thought at this point it would be over if that were true. Clearly it isn't. 

The tool to win the war was tariffs and most industry watchers have made it clear that China hasn't really been paying them. US citizens have borne the brunt. 

China, in tit for tat measures, manoeuvred to lower tariffs on countries who could supply its needs, plunging industries like US agriculture to the brink of economic collapse.

In an attempt to get something, anything, to talk about, Trump lauded the phase 1 deal which didn't even include any obligations on China's part to fulfil commitments to anything included in it. Now, Trump is basically saying that deal is not worth the paper it's written on. 

From the get go China made it clear that they were in this for the long haul and would suffer but, at the same time, resist and wait things out.

As elections approach and Trump has little cause to celebrate anything, time is not on his side and we are seeing actions like those against Huawei and Byte Dance and Tencent look evermore desperate. All the while, China is basically doing nothing.

As he said the trade war was easy to win and he very much hasn't won anything (he has actually caused great harm to US interests), saying he flopped makes a lot of sense. 

China should have pulled into line long ago under such pressure but it's clear they haven't. 

Avon - One thing I would like to remind you whenever the discussion is on politics - FACTS do NOT matter to majority of the people. All they need is - Catchy phrases that they can connect with and repeat shamelessly even if they are blatant lies. On that count - Trump seems to be playing PERFECTLY to the gallery, i.e. his supporters. So it is quite possible that Trump wins one more term and cause more harm to the entire world with his shenanigans.

Why do i say this? - I have seen the exact same thing played out in my country (India) where right wing extremists won 2nd term on the basis of lies after lies. And majority of the people were more than happy to hear those lies day in, day out and voted the same party to power last year.

linuxplatform said:

crowley said:

linuxplatform said:

4. Intel's high end chips - the i7, i9 and Xeon - already outperform the A14. Why people believe otherwise amazes me. Especially since Apple essentially acknowledges this by not even trying to build an ARM equivalent to the Mac Pro or anything else that used the i9 or Xeon.

What you smoking bro?  The A14 doesn't exist yet.  And when it does it will probably be a phone and tablet chip, very thermally limited and low power draw, and not at all intended to compete with the i7, i9 and Xeon.  The Intel Atom chip line wasn't as fast as the G5 either, doesn't mean that x86 was worse than PowerPC.

Apple only just announced the transition, they haven't acknowledged anything by "not even trying" to build any of their Mac products with an Apple Silicon chip yet, because they haven't built any of their Mac products with an Applicon chip yet.  You don't know what they're building, or trying to build, and you'll only know when they announce it.  That'll come with time, and will bring Applicon that's probably significantly more powerful that what we've seen before because laptops and desktops have a lot more cooling options than iPhone and iPads.  Apple will not be sticking the same chips that are in iPads into their Pro-grade Macs.

They are going to deliver the first batch of MacBooks by the end of this year/early next year meaning that the A14 chip will be used. 

David H Dennis said:

Consider the cost of living. 

In India you can get a decent (by local standards) house for under US$4,000. 

In the USA you can get a decent house for around US$150,000.  In the San Francisco Bay Area it’s over US$1 million!

An Indian can live quite well on $2 an hour while an American can’t even pay his electric bill. 

How much sense does it make to pay absurdly bloated American prices?  You can give more people a better lifestyle in India than in the USA. 

fred1 said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

6502 said:

Fatman said:

I thought the same ...  why not the US! ... then read that 6000 new jobs would be created. Average factory pay in India is about $2/hr - some say even robot cost average $4/hr! As long as slave labor wages are an option, factories that need this many humans will not open in the US.

Exactly right. Slavery is alive and well in this world. I thought Tim was better than this. Nope. All talk, no walk. When India gets too expensive, they'll build factories in Uganda.

I am from India and i agree with @JWSC and @Avs_Htx on this. You SHOULD NOT apply US living standards to India when you evaluate a job opportunity in India. By Indian standards, these are decent paying jobs for those who get it. This is NOT slavery. Slavery by Indian standards is about getting paid 20 cents per hour of work. $2 per hour gives a decent living for the people who are desperate to get a job.

Thank you for your perspective on this. I also wonder if people in India are in a position to refuse “low paying“ jobs. Is the unemployment rate so high that they have no choice?

Another aspect of this move by Apple is the old adage about putting all your eggs in one basket. It surprises me how many companies have become dependent on China and its relationship with the US rather than looking at other countries where labor is also relatively inexpensive. 

And one more point: so hiring people in India at these rates is “slave labor”? Then what has it been in China all these years?

6502 said:

Fatman said:

I thought the same ...  why not the US! ... then read that 6000 new jobs would be created. Average factory pay in India is about $2/hr - some say even robot cost average $4/hr! As long as slave labor wages are an option, factories that need this many humans will not open in the US.

Exactly right. Slavery is alive and well in this world. I thought Tim was better than this. Nope. All talk, no walk. When India gets too expensive, they'll build factories in Uganda.