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RichFromIndy said:

I was wondering how this article should have omitted one key fact, and then I remembered this is "Apple Insider," and it made sense.  From your own numbers, about one quarter of people with tablets show that they want an iOS tablet.  Still the VAST majority of people demonstrate that they prefer an Android based tablet.  The arguments about "Well Apple makes more" should not matter at all to the consumer.  My tablet experience will not be changed at all by which company does best for its stock holders. The fact is, for some reason, the VAST majority of people who get a tablet do NOT want an iOS tablet. Most want an Android tablet.

At one time, you could argue "Well that's because Apple tablets are too expensive and people are too poor to pay the price for an Apple tablet."  Sorry, that doesn't wash anymore.  Apple now has a budget friendly $300 tablet. They've had it for a couple of years now, and it hasn't changed that inconvenient truth....that most people do NOT want and do not BUY an IOS tablet. They want and buy Android tablets.

I would disagree with your assessment. Budget is still the primary reason why most of those Android tablets are selling. There are MANY Android tablets from the likes of Samsung and Lenovo and few local brands with price <$200, which is the maximum budget that many people can afford in my country and that is the primary reason why many Android tablets are selling in my country (India).

I also came to know another weird reason recently. Few school specific Apps are NOT available in iOS App Store and 2 of my friends (who can very well afford high end iPads) in Hyderabad were buying an Android tablet only for those Apps since the schools use those apps for their kids. It must be region specific, hence the developer did not bother to make an iOS version (99% of people in India use Android phones). But I would assume that would be a tiny minority in the overall scheme of things.

JWSC said:

The epic economic mismanagement of the Indian economy continues.  Apple needs to keep expectations low here for the foreseeable future.

I wonder what council member Rathin Roy uses for his personal mobile phone?  Just wondering if it’s a ‘do as I say, not as I do’ scenario.

foggyhill said:

Modi is heading India towards authoritarianism and graft and corruption in India has been on the way up. So, that just means they want to be greased even harder.

The Indian market is very heavily protected by tariffs which means Indians have to pay an exorbitant price for extremely shoddy goods (that's what the lack of competition means). Supposedly tariffs protect the small players but in fact its a gift to the big companies who have complete control of the Indian market and can charge whatever they want. Only the richest or the rich can afford the to buy the highest quality goods from all sources . 

darkvader said:

India has an election coming up next year.

Hopefully the people will realize what a horrible mistake they made with Modi, and toss him out.

And I'm not talking about Apple here, I'm talking about how absolutely horrible he is for the country.  Religious extremists do not belong in government, no matter what religion it is.  And he's intent on wrecking the economy.

I am from India and I agree with the above comments. The larger question remains - Do majority of Indians understand this? I don't know an answer to that question right now. We will come to know about it in another 8 months (May-2019 elections). Our PM Modi has been a divisive force, so I won't be surprised if some of the long timers (AnantKSundaram, BestKeptSecret etc) from India in this forum disagree with me and above comments.

We (people of India) are a long way to go in terms of maturity in upholding/implementing the spirit of democracy. Recently our Supreme court made very good verdicts on contentious issues (decriminalizing homosexuality, adultery as crimes), but MAJORITY of the people are criticizing the Supreme Court, without even understanding what the cases were about and what was the rationale behind SC's verdict. So it is going to be a long journey towards change for the better in my country.

yojimbo007 said:

Its a very convenient size.. i love the mini. Why send potential customers to the competition? Forget mass profitability on every item... a comprehensive lineup is much more important.

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hentaiboy said:

Shame. Competition is healthy despite what some here think. 

If you’re talking about Nunzy then I’m afraid you’ve been had. He’s just here to give the community a bad name. 

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nunzy said:

Huaway is totally dishonest. Their camera must really suck.

I believe all ads for smartphone cameras that imply they were shot on the phone should be from the phone. That, at the very least.

Huawei often adds a clarifying note to marketing material to make it clear that images pictured on the screens of phones in some ads were not actually shot on the camera of those phones.

This is quite normal even if I don't agree with it. Apple too:

https://petapixel.com/2017/06/30/truth-shot-iphone-style-ads/

A similar thing happens with video game ads and Apple has been in hot water on a few occasions too.

Apple shooting an ad with an iPhone using "additional accessories and software" isn't anything like shooting an ad with a dslr and then passing it off as a smartphone.

It is, in fact, quite normal for photographers and videographers to use "additional accessories and software" to produce the best image/video from a given sensor, backed up with skill and experience.

Funny thing, these "additional accessories and software" aren't all that expensive for someone to adopt in their workflow.

https://www.filmicpro.com/gear/

Oh, and here's the link to petapixel's article on the same Huawei ad creation;

https://petapixel.com/2018/08/20/huawei-caught-faking-smartphone-photos-with-a-dslr-again/

But that misses the entire point.

No, this is the point;



"taking it to the next level"

It's still just capturing light on a smartphone sensor; only more options with accessories, and skills required.

That is irrelevant.

The point was the ads were for the phone. Not for the accessories.

Now, if the accessories needed to produce the same footage were included in the box, that would be completely different. But they aren't.

The point is, the phone is advertised using footage to market it which implies the phone itself is capable of taking that footage - out of the box. In fact, that is the sole reason Apple includes that tiny disclaimer on each ad because Apple knows that that is being implied.

Content has to be processed for delivery on different media but I'd prefer that the content were taken on the phone being marketed and without extras unless they are included in the box.

That applies to everyone, Apple, Huawei, Samsung etc.

We are eleven years into iPhones. There's billions of actual iPhone photos available online to anyone considering purchase. More to the point, the image quality of actual photos and videos used in the ads, and content created with current iPhones, or Premium Android OS devices, is beyond the capabilities of most televisions and monitors to reproduce accurately. Smartphone images, as far as the masses are concerned, are beyond good enough.

Your concerns are nonsense. It'a a purity test, and in your case, a means of mitigating the unscrupulous ad that Huawei produced and ran.

Ha! Just look at the first link I posted for the selfie comparisons and tell me the iPhone X took 'good enough' photos.

No. It isn't nonsense for selfies and you can expect a lot more marketing for selfies in the coming months.

In general photography, smartphone quality is more than good enough, but then phones will move beyond general 'quality' and improve in other areas. The P20 Pro is so acclaimed because it does things other phones simply can't. Tripod-free, long, low noise night exposures, x3 optical zoom, x5 hybrid zoom, AI assisted stabilisation etc.

The P20 Pro is so acclaimed that most of the people, like yourself that are pushing it, find it too expensive to own, but I'm willing to look at accurate sales data for the P20 Pro, if it exists.

Meanwhile, I'm guessing that somewhere in the neighborhood of 175 million iPhones with dual cameras, 8's and X plus the upcoming new models will be sold in 2018.

As for the selfie test, not impressed with the marginal benefits of the 24 MP dual camera of selfies, but the AI helps, again, marginally over the iPhone X.