Sujeito

hentaiboy said:

If only iPhones followed the historical pricing of flat screen TVs...  

iPhones didn't. But smartphones, in general, did.

Äpfelundbirnen said:

Sujeito said:

Äpfelundbirnen said:

StrangeDays said:

Ironhead said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

Ironhead said:

Äpfelundbirnen said:

I'd be much more interested in a description of the reverse switch since I just bought a used Dell workstation for video and photo editing. I maxed it out with components I'd not even be able to put in a Mac, with the exception of an outdated Mac Pro. This is after 25 years of exclusive Mac usage. Back in the day the Mac was a serious offer for people like me. Nowadays I'd pay a multitude for an inferior Apple machine. It's probably my mistake to expect a smart phone company to deliver powerful stationary computers for creative professionals like I

That was my first thought.

I GUARANTEE that we aren't running any "Switching to Windows?" articles.

Obviously.

Äpfelundbirnen is making some good points though.

Really, and what would those be? All I've seen are common troll tropes:

- he's owned macs since steve jobs was born
- macs are too expensive
- macs aren't for professionals (and obviously a pro is only whatever it is he does)
- macs are too slow to run his "photo & video" software (yet Photoshop/Lightroom runs fine, and Davinci Resolve has a Mac version, so...)

...still waiting for those good points. 

Maybe we can agree on this: Before around 2010 Macs where universally pro, though actually with the exception of CAD. Today Macs are semi pro due to putting design before features such as expandability. I used to own a Mac Pro 4.1, I considered buying an iMac or a better specced old Mac Pro but neither were justifiable investments given the hardware limitations. I like Davinci Resolve better than fcpx and Premiere. Whether I run it on a Mac or PC makes no big difference in terms of the interface, but I can plug in multiple GPUs far more powerful and far cheaper than anything on offer by Apple. So I chose to ditch the Mac for my personal professional work because the Mac is not pro any longer by my specs. It might be by yours, but I know quite a few people having gone the same route or facing the same choice.

For what particularly works for you, your company, integration or wallet, I have no say in that. Just get the better tool for the job, whatever that might be.

But about Macs, they are what they always were. Never were about expandability just for the sake of appeasing the mainstream market. Just go through the recent history, there are many examples of adopting some ports whilr dumping others. Some failed, some became standards and some evolved. Not defending Apple, mind you. It's just that pointing fingers into what definitely is not true makes a point on the pointer.

The way I see it, its the Pro capabilities mixed with the user friendliness  and durability reputation that made them climb the ladder. Never were the reviews on their machines about "superior hardware", nor the talks in stores or between mac users. It was about superior experience, hassle free, getting work done, in a pleasant and pretty way without being an IT guy.  Still doing the same thing.

They may have a slower refresh on hardware, no surprise there. But again, it's not an outlier from their previous behavior.

Sujeito said:

Äpfelundbirnen said:

StrangeDays said:

Ironhead said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

Ironhead said:

Äpfelundbirnen said:

I'd be much more interested in a description of the reverse switch since I just bought a used Dell workstation for video and photo editing. I maxed it out with components I'd not even be able to put in a Mac, with the exception of an outdated Mac Pro. This is after 25 years of exclusive Mac usage. Back in the day the Mac was a serious offer for people like me. Nowadays I'd pay a multitude for an inferior Apple machine. It's probably my mistake to expect a smart phone company to deliver powerful stationary computers for creative professionals like I

That was my first thought.

I GUARANTEE that we aren't running any "Switching to Windows?" articles.

Obviously.

Äpfelundbirnen is making some good points though.

Really, and what would those be? All I've seen are common troll tropes:

- he's owned macs since steve jobs was born
- macs are too expensive
- macs aren't for professionals (and obviously a pro is only whatever it is he does)
- macs are too slow to run his "photo & video" software (yet Photoshop/Lightroom runs fine, and Davinci Resolve has a Mac version, so...)

...still waiting for those good points. 

Maybe we can agree on this: Before around 2010 Macs where universally pro, though actually with the exception of CAD. Today Macs are semi pro due to putting design before features such as expandability. I used to own a Mac Pro 4.1, I considered buying an iMac or a better specced old Mac Pro but neither were justifiable investments given the hardware limitations. I like Davinci Resolve better than fcpx and Premiere. Whether I run it on a Mac or PC makes no big difference in terms of the interface, but I can plug in multiple GPUs far more powerful and far cheaper than anything on offer by Apple. So I chose to ditch the Mac for my personal professional work because the Mac is not pro any longer by my specs. It might be by yours, but I know quite a few people having gone the same route or facing the same choice.

For what particularly works for you, your company, integration or wallet, I have no say in that. Just get the better tool for the job, whatever that might be.

But about Macs, they are what they always were. Never were about expandability just for the sake of appeasing the mainstream market. Just go through the recent history, there are many examples of adopting some ports whilr dumping others. Some failed, some became standards and some evolved. Not defending Apple, mind you. It's just that pointing fingers into what definitely is not true makes a point on the pointer.

The way I see it, its the Pro capabilities mixed with the user friendliness  and durability reputation that made them climb the ladder. Never were the reviews on their machines about "superior hardware", nor the talks in stores or between mac users. It was about superior experience, hassle free, getting work done, in a pleasant and pretty way without being an IT guy.  Still doing the same thing.

They may have a slower refresh on hardware, no surprise there. But again, it's not an outlier from their previous behavior.

I think it's clear that Apple pretty much abandoned a part of the market that was served with the mac pro. The iPhone is just so much more profitable. I find it silly to ignore this shift and claim that Apple hasn't changed.

I do think Apple changed. I do not believe they've abandoned the pro market. Yet.

They released the Mac pro which clearly took a long and careful development. Still is a beast. They 've been actively developing Logic X and FCP X with bugs, features, plugins, remote control apps, system wide integration and recently introduced a thing called touch bar which is clearly also aimed at pro users that in a few years will be standard practice across all apps and users. 

I'd say the evidence is contrary to abandoning the pro market. They are merging the most popular and commmon pro markets with the general consumer market. 

May not fit you, fair enough. But that does not equate to pro market abandonment.

altivec88 said:

StrangeDays said:

altivec88 said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

Ironhead said:

Äpfelundbirnen said:

I'd be much more interested in a description of the reverse switch since I just bought a used Dell workstation for video and photo editing. I maxed it out with components I'd not even be able to put in a Mac, with the exception of an outdated Mac Pro. This is after 25 years of exclusive Mac usage. Back in the day the Mac was a serious offer for people like me. Nowadays I'd pay a multitude for an inferior Apple machine. It's probably my mistake to expect a smart phone company to deliver powerful stationary computers for creative professionals like I

That was my first thought.

I GUARANTEE that we aren't running any "Switching to Windows?" articles.

That's too bad.  Not sure why that is considered such a hostile request.  I was thinking the same thing as some of the others.  After 30+ years, this is the year we start transitioning over to the dark side (windows) and such an article would really help out some long time Mac users.   Does anyone know of a good site that is similar to Appleinsider but on the PC side of things?

Some of the comments on here are beyond ridiculous.  Guess what people, "Pro's" do different things.  Just because you are able to do your Pro things on a 1997 iMac does not mean every pro can.   Get over yourself as being the centre of the universe.  Others claiming that PC workstations cost the same or are more as a Mac is just plain wrong.  You can easily configure a 30+ core HP or Dell with modern graphics and faster DDR4 Ram for less than what you would pay for the antiquated 12 core MacPro.

There are a lot of good reasons to use Macs but making stuff up or insisting that nobody needs anything greater than an old iMac is not one of them.

What an utter delusional version of what has been said here. Troll nonsense.

My point was very clear -- even a loaded 2011 iMac is a good machine for me as a software engineer professional, so those that roll out the troll-trope that "Macs aren't good for pros!" is 100%, pure bunk. Nonsense. Despite your delusional claims, I never claimed my uses were your uses, or that nobody needs anything faster. Please quote me if you feel otherwise. I'll wait. Rather, I pointed out that it's BS to claim that Macs aren't for pros, because there are a shit-ton of us doing our pro work just fine here. I use a 2011 iMac and a 2014 rMBP and do enterprise professional software dev without issue. 

There have been plenty of articles showing how equipping Dells to mimic Macs costs more.

So no, nobody is "making things up" -- that's just your troll hater narrative showing its true colors.

As for expecting a mac enthusiast site to produce for you a guide to switching to Windows -- just more evidence of trolling this site. Nobody in their right mind would ask or expect such a thing. Go find a Windows site, there are plenty and if you can't find one then it doesn't speak well for your abilities.

As for me trolling the site.  I never knew we were stuck in the 90's where its Apple or die.   Computers are just tools. Some tools are better suited for certain tasks than others. Do you get this way when someone wants to try out a different screw driver.  Is it not possible to live in a world where you can be an Apple enthusiast and use windows too.  God forbid that I can use some help on how to introduce some windows machines into our company from a Mac perspective.  I see nothing wrong with that request.

May I ask what specific help you're seeking? "Moving" to another OS is not difficult, most destination folders have an equivalent name. It's just a bit time consuming since there is no official software from Microsoft, I believe.

If you google migrate from Mac to Windows you should get Microsoft's official support page to help your transition. They make it seem more complicated than it is. That introduces them quite well.
 Check the "migrate to surface" page, a bit incomplete but more visually helpful and straightforward. Seems they took a hint from Apple.

From my experience, Windows works alot better than it used to. Pretty stable actually. You may still have to dig a bit into the hardware configurations to get great performance. Plus, there is no more need for classic maintenance. As of 10,  Windows takes care of itself as OSX does, though there are still some minor annoyances popping occasionally that need your attention. Like, Defender (built in A.V.) always putting you on the edge of your seat , just telling you it really didn't find anything. Would rather it tell me only when it did. Minor annoyances.

If you pretty much center around your specific software needs, I would have no fear in stability. It's just the OS navigation that might get ya. 

suddenly newton said:

StrangeDays said:

Äpfelundbirnen said:

I'd be much more interested in a description of the reverse switch since I just bought a used Dell workstation for video and photo editing. I maxed it out with components I'd not even be able to put in a Mac, with the exception of an outdated Mac Pro. This is after 25 years of exclusive Mac usage. Back in the day the Mac was a serious offer for people like me. Nowadays I'd pay a multitude for an inferior Apple machine. It's probably my mistake to expect a smart phone company to deliver powerful stationary computers for creative professionals like I

Hyperbolic nonsense. I'm a creative professional and my desktop is a 2011 iMac (SSD and plenty of RAM and VRAM), it's still a good machine for software development, running VMs, IDEs, Creative Suite, etc. 

As for your photo & video editing, I'd love to hear why even the current iMac is unable to run your needed software, specifically. If I'm running Lightroom and Photoshop on a 2011, why can't you on a new machine?

Also, it's not true that comparatively-spec'd PCs are cheaper than Macs. In fact the opposite has been shown to be true when building Dell pro desktops. 

You're supposed to define "Pros" as narrowly and selectively as you want to win the argument. Pick some narrow use case where Macs are not the most superlative choice, define "Pros" as that use case, then slam Apple over "obsession with thinness" or "iPhone maker who doesn't know how to make powerful computers." That's how you prove the MacBook Pro is horrible and "Pros" will be switching to Windows en masse.

To bad the same people don't get that the iPhone maker is making the most powerful computer to date. The same always on you iPhone computer. If we can bend Pro, we can bend Powerful.

zimmermann said:

StrangeDays said:

bloggerblog said:

I hate how Apple entices their professional customers then abandons them. Or as with the New MacBook Pro strip out pro features and keeps the "pro" moniker.

Hmm what pro features are being on the new MBP? Legacy ports? Not a pro feature, try again. SD slot? Again not a pro feature since that's a consumer format and all my pro gear is CF anyway. So what, exactly? What feature did they remove that make it non-pro? The network jack? The CD-ROM drive? The floppy?

Such nonsense. I'm a pro and I love slim notebooks that don't weigh very much, because I write software and use wifi and don't need to plug in any old firewire crap or what have you. Slim is light which makes it easier to move my mobile when I'm, you know, mobile. So please, stop the public crying, it won't get you anywhere. I doubt you even own a new MBP so it's frivolous anyway.

Still, al this defending Apple is strange. After waiting for years they bring out two MacBooks (I'm not counting the stripped down version) with - well, one might say - somewhat disappointing features. And al the other computer stuff is still waiting at least two years, perhaps even more, for upgrades. I am not talking about a complete new design, just an upgrade. These upgrades happend on a far more frequent base before. So that people complain and don't understand, I get. Doesn't anyone? Why? Why is Apple not on top of things like before? Silently, suddenly, upgrading a complete line of iMacs with the latest and the greatest as was the habit. Why not anymore? So people wonder. Is Apple abandoning the computers? Getting rid of Mac OS X? All very reasonable questions in the light of the recent behavior of Apple. Not? 

Oh my... it's not about defending apple.  it's about those not being relevant points.

It's about being amazed at why would someone whine about something they either don't use or are not obligated to use.

 They took their time, and this MacBook line is what they have to show for it. I would argue it's pretty good. Don't like it? Don't use it. Not that hard. That is the point.

People only complain either because of jealousy or because they really know what the alternative is like and what peace of mind you have to give just for a measly few extra spec numbers that are mostly car salesman talk. I assure you that the few seconds you think you might gain with those specs are thrown overboard once you start troubleshooting a wintel machine. And if you enjoy being a mac user, software/experience wise, I think you know it too.