Madtiger

wonkothesane said:

Madtiger said:

wonkothesane said:

So, what do you think about when you take a picture of your child? Who’s the most important subject of a shot when you just want to snap a pic of your kid? Ah. Yours. Pretty normal, isn’t it? Unless of course you intend to take a photo of your kids together with friends. 
The fact that Jacob’s mother draws the conclusions about intention and hate is IMO a superb allegory about today’s society. Like gender discussions etc.: the fact that I don’t explicitly put you in the foreground doesn’t automatically imply I dispose you/don’t respect you etc. But that’s today’s heresy. Any idiot can claim discrimination while it simply all starts in your head. Both, the fact that she states this accusations tells more about herself - as usually people draw co cousin a based on their own behavioral patterns - in other words: it’s what she would do and therefore it must be the same when she observes something like this with somebody else. Secondly, if you search for discrimination you’re likely gonna g to find evidence anywhere. 

WTF?!?!  I mean WTF?!

Care to elaborate? 

wonkothesane said:

So, what do you think about when you take a picture of your child? Who’s the most important subject of a shot when you just want to snap a pic of your kid? Ah. Yours. Pretty normal, isn’t it? Unless of course you intend to take a photo of your kids together with friends. 
The fact that Jacob’s mother draws the conclusions about intention and hate is IMO a superb allegory about today’s society. Like gender discussions etc.: the fact that I don’t explicitly put you in the foreground doesn’t automatically imply I dispose you/don’t respect you etc. But that’s today’s heresy. Any idiot can claim discrimination while it simply all starts in your head. Both, the fact that she states this accusations tells more about herself - as usually people draw co cousin a based on their own behavioral patterns - in other words: it’s what she would do and therefore it must be the same when she observes something like this with somebody else. Secondly, if you search for discrimination you’re likely gonna g to find evidence anywhere. 

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clarker99 said:

Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)

It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

- We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
- We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
- We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
- We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
- We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,

Not long to wait:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.

Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.

The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.

Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.

You lost count after how many? 

Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.

https://www.ft.com/content/0531458a-fd6c-11e8-ac00-57a2a826423e

Politics more than technology, no?

https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.

Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

"We're losing it"

So, assuming that countries that ban Huawei are a year behind, so what. There's so little buildout today, that it isn't going to be an issue, and as other suppliers ramp up, that "head start" that Huawei has won't make any difference.

I'm sure that Huawei will do very well in Spain though...

As for the modem, again, so what.

It's also cheaper. That alone might be enough to put operators in rural America out of business as many depend on Huawei gear.

'so what' on the modem? Look one step ahead. As soon as the hardware gets deployed, applications for the technology can be developed. 5G has such enormous scope that being first to market means far more than consumer side benefits. The Balong 5G is even V2X compliant. From there it will just get better.

That's why the US is doing everything it can (and then some!) to derail Huawei. The politics of a powershift in tech. Hence that comment: 'we're losing it' in reference to the US falling behind in such a key area.

The US even went so far as to claim that it didn't need to provide evidence of what it was claiming on Huawei. That says a lot about how things are going.

Here's an example of China attempting to subvert laws regarding U.S. Technology transfer;

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25364/boeing-nixes-satellite-deal-amid-concerns-the-u-s-buyer-was-a-chinese-government-front?iid=sr-link5

Boeing says it has canceled a controversial satellite order from a U.S.-based startup, which had received the bulk of its funding from a Chinese-government owned financial company. The deal, which critics warned could give China access to sensitive technology, comes amid a period of especially acrimonious relations between Washington and Beijing over a host of issues, including industrial espionage and intellectual property theft.

The Chicago-headquartered aerospace company announced its decision, which it said was only because of non-payment on the part of the customer, to nix the deal, worth more than $200 million, on Dec. 6, 2018. Two days earlier, the Wall Street Journal had published an expose detailing the links between the official buyer, Global IP, and a string of Chinese government operated entities and individuals with significant connections to China’s Communist Party and military establishment.

“When we resigned over a year ago, we informed Boeing of the reasons for our decision,” Emil Youssefzadeh, one of Global IP’s founders, told the Journal, referring to concerns about China's involvement and a hope that the company would be able to shake off worrisome Chinese government influence. “It’s unfortunate that this did not happen at the time.”   

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-maneuvers-to-snag-top-secret-boeing-satellite-technology-1543943490?&mod=article_inline&mod=article_inline

There is no Corporation with independence of the Chinese Government, the Communist Party, or the PLA, hence why this deal fell through, and the many democracies that are banning Huawei telecom. Your naivete about National Security concerns isn't winning you any arguments.

Huawei is not China. 

Huawei is China.  I fixed it for you.  By public law, Huawei IS China.  There is no secret about it.  Written into law.  

You can say this or that ... but dude, it is the freaking law!

And of course, you believing everything Huawei says in a freaking presentation is just ridiculously naive.  Who are you trying to convince here?  

Huawei is a cheater...fake benchmarks, fake claims.  Huawei breaks laws (and more often than not, INTERNATIONAL law).  Huawei top exec jailed for spying in Poland.  Huawei CFO jailed and is wanted in two countries.  There is no conspiracy dude.  Get over it.  Stop with this propaganda crap.

Please stop with this idiocy.  Geez.

So, I must repeat myself. Which part of the official presentation wasn't true?

It was contrasted directly with the X50.

Enlighten me.

'Idiocy' is claiming things that have been presented officially are not true without anything to prove otherwise. Saying 'Geez' does nothing to make what you are claiming any truer.

Perhaps you didn't even watch the presentation.

If the S10 ships with an X50 5G variant and Huawei ships a Balong 5000 equipped, which one has more appeal as of today and what we have been told? Not what you think you know because clearly you have nothing -although I wait with bated breath your evidence.

These have not been released...thus, you’re basing on ASSUMPTIONS by the presentations of respective companies.  Not real data.  No facts.  Nothing.  Just by word of mouth from Huawei.

Let’s look at what we CAN compare factually.  Huawei Kirin 980 presentation was full of unsubstantiated claims and boasting (how it was better than Apple and Qualcomm mobile chips etc.).......that are very much false.  Lies.  Acutally, not even close to the truth!  LOL

Let’s look at Huawei’s cheating on benchmarks.  Repeatedly caught.  Over and over again.  Then, last one, they call it “Artificial Intelligence” mode!  LOL

Their top execs are jailed by various countries.  More and more countries (not just USA) are dumping Huawei equipments due to spying concerns.   That “30 carriers” number you quoted has just been going down every day of the week!

China laws dictate that Huawei IS indeed China.  There is no ifs ands or buts.  Huawei is China.  Huawei is China’s little biatch.

No need to wait for my response.  You need to get your head out of your behind and stop with this BS propaganda crap.  Pure utter silliness on your end.

And there you have it.

You have nothing.

Let's do things the correct way. Take things for how they are presented and then take them to down if they are not true. Not the other way around. That is silly.

Now watch the presentation yourself and at least try to understand the differences.

Of course, if you had bothered to watch the presentation in the first place, none of this conversation would have been necessary in the first place.

I included a link to the presentation in this thread:

https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/209204/qualcomm-doesnt-wield-enough-power-to-harm-competition-says-trial-witness#latest

1983 said:

My biggest disappointment concerning the 8 Plus when I got it was the rear camera image quality, which was poorer than I was expecting, especially at high magnification, where a water color effect was much more noticeable than on my previous 5S. As well as image quality in low-light especially on video where there was noticeable noise that I didn’t have on the 5S. On the other hand, the 8 Plus’s telephoto lens has proved very useful to me and was the main reason I upgraded in the first place. I think I actually use it more in photography than the standard lens. A reason I wish it had the OIS of the X at that magnification. I had a look at an XR at a local Apple store, to me it was noticeably thicker than my 8 Plus, too thick for my liking.

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

Madtiger said:

avon b7 said:

ericthehalfbee said:

avon b7 said:

ericthehalfbee said:

avon b7 said:

clarker99 said:

Do the majority of Apple users even care what Android OEM’s are doing? (And vice versa?)

It's an industry thing. We need to look past platform specifics and see what's happening on a wider level.

People care when they are asked to pay high prices and certain features are missing but available on competing phones. In fact they even care when paying far less. Often you want the best deal possible for the price you pay, irrespective of platform.

The S10 is the Samsung iPhone X (ten year phone) and is supposed to be a key release. We'll see what it brings to the table but competition (P30 Pro) is going to be fierce.

MWC will bring a heap of announcements.

MWC will bring nothing new. It will all be minor incremental updates to existing technology that people will blow out of proportion as to their relevance. Then when the iPhone comes out with its incremental updates in the fall it will be criticized for lack of innovation.

- We’ll get newer OLED screens in a few new sizes/resolutions, but none of them will be calibrated for color accuracy so they’re all pointless.
- We’ll get newer slightly faster (but still inferior to Apple) processors which will mean nothing because Android Apps are a joke and none of them can utilize those processors anyway.
- We’ll get a bunch of new tablets with 1-2 year old processors that still won’t be able to compete with the iPad along with the same unoptimized phone Apps blown up to fit.
- We’ll get new Chromebooks that most Android Apps still won’t work properly on and still limited by the lack of serious Apps for Chrome.
- We’ll get Windows on ARM laptops that are still slow and are still limited as to what types of Apps they can run.

Oh, and everything mobile will be on Android so there won’t be anything new to see on the software side,

Not long to wait:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/huawei-p30-pro-camera-more-details-leak-and-its-all-about-the-10x-zoom-and-3d-sensors

https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/01/24/huawei-announces-balong-5000-5g-modem-with-up-to-6-5-gbps-5g-speeds-in-china/

https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-foldable-5g-smartphone-mwc-2019/

'Nothing new' doesn't sit well with the above rumours. Throw in Samsung announcements, IoT developments and all the 5G progress and things look quite interesting.

Nope, nothing new. How can something be “new” when you’re able to link to article with details? I don’t think you understand what “new” really means.

5G? Yawn. Let me know when it will be usable by more than a fraction of the population. And whose networks are they going to access with their modem since Huawei is having a hard time getting companies/countries to install their spy gear?

MWC is going to be a big bore with lots of promises but few realized.

The links are to - rumours - except for the Balong5000 presentation which is from today and was the - MWC2019 pre-briefing.

It's all part of official the MWC build up and is just the core technology of some aspects. No one has any idea about how that will be used. For that we have to wait for the fair itself.

Balong5000 is far from yawn worthy. Out of the gate it is making the X50 look quite limited in its scope. A complete, ready to market, power efficient, low latency, multimode, V2X ready, Kirin980 compatible solution.

They have already signed 30 carrier deals and shipped thousands of new 5G base stations. Obviously China will see most of the tent pole features first but somewhere along the line users of the supposed 5G S10 variant will reap the benefits, as competing 5G backbone solutions are said to be around a year behind what Huawei is actually shipping today.

Huawei 5G...irrelevant.  I lost count now how many countries are on the list to ban Huawei stuff.  Almost everyday, a new Western country considering banning Huawei crap.

You lost count after how many? 

Huawei has already signed 30 carrier deals and is shipping thousands of 5G base stations. That is hardly irrelevant. As for being crap, can you name anyone in the 5G industry that has better products? It's not me who says competitors are behind, it is carriers and industry watchers.

https://www.ft.com/content/0531458a-fd6c-11e8-ac00-57a2a826423e

Politics more than technology, no?

https://www.greyb.com/companies-working-on-5g-technology/

There are plenty of companies working on 5G, and to look at the patents that these companies generate, it would appear the Qualcomm exceeds any other company by a wide margin, including Huawei. That doesn't mean much, but it does suggest that your post that Huawei makes better products than any other is bullshit. Huawei often has the lowest prices, hence why various countries that are banning Huawei telecom are expecting to see cost increases for 5G buildout. 

France has decided against allowing Huawei to buildout 5G, and Germany is likely to ban Huawei as well, likely of benefit to Nokia, Ericsson and others in Europe. The Chinese spy found in Huawei's "employ" in Poland may have an effect on any 5G buildout there.

Huawei is ahead in real product development. See link above and see clains from carriers affirming that using non Huawei gear would be like adding a year to roll outs.

Just look at how far ahead Huawei is on the modem side (yesterday's Balong5000 presentation).

From the FT link above and citing a US official on the state of 5G with regards to Chinese technology:

"We're losing it"

So, assuming that countries that ban Huawei are a year behind, so what. There's so little buildout today, that it isn't going to be an issue, and as other suppliers ramp up, that "head start" that Huawei has won't make any difference.

I'm sure that Huawei will do very well in Spain though...

As for the modem, again, so what.

It's also cheaper. That alone might be enough to put operators in rural America out of business as many depend on Huawei gear.

'so what' on the modem? Look one step ahead. As soon as the hardware gets deployed, applications for the technology can be developed. 5G has such enormous scope that being first to market means far more than consumer side benefits. The Balong 5G is even V2X compliant. From there it will just get better.

That's why the US is doing everything it can (and then some!) to derail Huawei. The politics of a powershift in tech. Hence that comment: 'we're losing it' in reference to the US falling behind in such a key area.

The US even went so far as to claim that it didn't need to provide evidence of what it was claiming on Huawei. That says a lot about how things are going.

Here's an example of China attempting to subvert laws regarding U.S. Technology transfer;

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/25364/boeing-nixes-satellite-deal-amid-concerns-the-u-s-buyer-was-a-chinese-government-front?iid=sr-link5

Boeing says it has canceled a controversial satellite order from a U.S.-based startup, which had received the bulk of its funding from a Chinese-government owned financial company. The deal, which critics warned could give China access to sensitive technology, comes amid a period of especially acrimonious relations between Washington and Beijing over a host of issues, including industrial espionage and intellectual property theft.

The Chicago-headquartered aerospace company announced its decision, which it said was only because of non-payment on the part of the customer, to nix the deal, worth more than $200 million, on Dec. 6, 2018. Two days earlier, the Wall Street Journal had published an expose detailing the links between the official buyer, Global IP, and a string of Chinese government operated entities and individuals with significant connections to China’s Communist Party and military establishment.

“When we resigned over a year ago, we informed Boeing of the reasons for our decision,” Emil Youssefzadeh, one of Global IP’s founders, told the Journal, referring to concerns about China's involvement and a hope that the company would be able to shake off worrisome Chinese government influence. “It’s unfortunate that this did not happen at the time.”   

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-maneuvers-to-snag-top-secret-boeing-satellite-technology-1543943490?&mod=article_inline&mod=article_inline

There is no Corporation with independence of the Chinese Government, the Communist Party, or the PLA, hence why this deal fell through, and the many democracies that are banning Huawei telecom. Your naivete about National Security concerns isn't winning you any arguments.

Huawei is not China. 

Huawei is China.  I fixed it for you.  By public law, Huawei IS China.  There is no secret about it.  Written into law.  

You can say this or that ... but dude, it is the freaking law!

And of course, you believing everything Huawei says in a freaking presentation is just ridiculously naive.  Who are you trying to convince here?  

Huawei is a cheater...fake benchmarks, fake claims.  Huawei breaks laws (and more often than not, INTERNATIONAL law).  Huawei top exec jailed for spying in Poland.  Huawei CFO jailed and is wanted in two countries.  There is no conspiracy dude.  Get over it.  Stop with this propaganda crap.

Please stop with this idiocy.  Geez.

So, I must repeat myself. Which part of the official presentation wasn't true?

It was contrasted directly with the X50.

Enlighten me.

'Idiocy' is claiming things that have been presented officially are not true without anything to prove otherwise. Saying 'Geez' does nothing to make what you are claiming any truer.

Perhaps you didn't even watch the presentation.

If the S10 ships with an X50 5G variant and Huawei ships a Balong 5000 equipped, which one has more appeal as of today and what we have been told? Not what you think you know because clearly you have nothing -although I wait with bated breath your evidence.