hawaiianshirtguy

This toy speaker is not good audio unless you are used to listening to MP3 files on a crappy set of Beats headphones. Got a great set of Focals in my Living Room that would give you a point of reference.

How do you know? Have you heard one?

It's unlikely that they will sound better than a dedicated audio rig costing ten times more, but it's almost a sure thing that they sound better than anything amazon or sonos or google has come out with in the smart speaker category.

I hope they keep the small form factor. My 5S is getting a bit long in the tooth. I've been holding off getting an SE since it's also starting to get old.

brucemc said:

I would wager that Apple makes more profit off of their AW bands than all other smart watch vendors make in aggregate profit...

I think Apple was very, very smart in making the band part of the apple watch experience. They no doubt make a huge profit off of the bands.

jbdragon said:

hawaiianshirtguy said:

Seriously? Does this only apply to the version with cellular, or all series 3 watches? The 5s isn't that old, and I don't want to upgrade. I guess I won't be buying an Apple Watch after all if it won't work with my 5s. *sigh*

The 5S is now 4 years old! 

Yes, and it still makes phone calls and text messages, and still runs the apps I care about.  I'm definitely not a typical smartphone user and don't need the latest/greatest (though I rue the day I chose the 16gb version). 

Mike Wuerthele said:

christopher126 said:

I can't fault Apple for this. Even tho I own an Se and am an avid AppleWatch wearer. It allows Apple to put more resources into improving 'current' devices, OS's, and software. Plus, R&D for future fantastic devices, e.g., AirPods, PowerPad, iPad Pros, iPhones, etc.

I just bought a 2017 rose gold MacBook to replace my aging 2006 original intel iMac (it just will not die) b/c it no longer supports the latest and greatest MacOS. 

Thanks Apple!

P.S. I just read the comments and maybe the Se is supported!

The SE is two generations newer than the 5s. Yes, the SE is supported.

FWIW, I went to Apple's site, clicked on the "chat" button, waited quite a while, and finally got an Apple representative. She told me the SE was NOT supported with the Series 3 watch. On one hand I'm not sure I trust her. On the other hand, I would expect Apple to have given her a script to read from for questions like this. She seemed definitive, and never said anything like "I don't know, let me check". Of course, she could have been trained to lie through her teeth if she didn't know an answer.