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Boeing 737 Max pilots didn't have flight simulators, and trained on iPads insteaddewme said:sflocal said:poisednoise said:wood1208 said:Don't believe what you read. Pilots are trained in many ways including flight simulators,cockpit practical flying,etc. Than, they fly for thousands of hours call on job perfecting skills.
AppleInsider said:It was determined that, at least in the case of the Max, pilots with prior 737 experience [my emphasis] learned about the new plane using an iPad for two hours, as well as a 13-page handbook of differences between the Max and earlier models.What I have a problem with is Boeing's lack of transparency here. if all it takes is a software fix, great. The problem I have is testing/training on the updated software. Buggy software on my PC could cause it to lock up, requiring a reboot and life moves on until a fix is made. Buggy software in the 737's flightOS could cause the plane to literally fall down from the sky, killing hundreds of people. That kind of unreliability is inexcusable. Boeing really needs to step up here, which to me seems like they're asleep at the wheel.
It's nonsensical to compare the product quality practices, reliability engineering, availability engineering, safety engineering, and overall design scrutiny that goes into military and commercial aviation products compared to "PC grade" or most any consumer-oriented product. There are a plethora of poser product development organizations out there who blow around a lot of hot air about being "lean six sigma" organizations. The problem is that almost none of them were ever proven six sigma organizations before they tried to become both lean and six sigma. They might be doing pretty good on the "lean" part, but both lean and six sigma, that's a very high bar to jump over for the first time and all at once, especially if you never got the six sigma part nailed. Boeing has the six sigma part nailed and an impressive safety record across their entire product line. So yeah, they've been "stepping it up" for many decades and will absolutely get to the bottom of why these two aircraft crashed.
Boeing 737 Max pilots didn't have flight simulators, and trained on iPads insteadSpamSandwich said:poisednoise said:Apart from the mention of iPads, I'm unclear why this has appeared here, but I'm utterly astonished if this is the case (it seems to exist as news currently only also on flightaware and a few other non-mainstream news sites).
It seems the more we learn about this fiasco the more it would appear that there should be prosecutions brought against people who made these decisions at Boeing, quite possibly charges of manslaughter. I'm currently booked on a return flight on a 737-8 in July, and I really hope by that point the decision's been made that they all need to be scrapped and start again.
Boeing 737 Max pilots didn't have flight simulators, and trained on iPads insteadThere are times when training allows for self-schooling (paper/iPad) and times where ground school and/or sim is necessary. Cost drives decisions and cost very much drove this decision. Boeing was pressured by SWA to certify the MAX so that sim would be unecessary thereby eliminating those costs and keeping sim time available for other training. Sim time, btw, is a very in-demand resource.
With pressure from the airlines, Boeing pulled strings at the FAA to certify the MAX so that pilots could do self-schooling and qualify on the differences of the MAX. That schooling was highly deficient in what it covered.
Its one thing moving a person from a Honda CRX to an Accord - very easy and mostly intuitive. Try moving a person from a CRX to a Tesla with only a few minutes of explanation and you get a better idea of what Boeing did.
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