feudalist

This article is plainly wrong. Pixel doesn’t sell well not because of inefective marketing but because it is wrong product for wrong market. People at whole are not that stupid. It’s just another android phone with slightly better camera at ridicuoluos price point. 

Indeed, at that price point it’s probably the best selling android phone, but it is small market segment to begin with. So why bother? It’s brand uplifting operation so samsung and others can increase ASP in an allready stagnating market. Just like Apple, copying whats working. 

StrangeDays said:

feudalist said:

foggyhill said:

adm1 said:

this is all very well and good, but still misses the point of why this only became a "thing" from the iPhone 6 onwards. Why did iPhone 3/3G/4/4S/5/5S batteries last for several years without problems? iPhone 6 onward only seem to last 1-2years before suffering battery related issues? Are the phones now too powerful for lithium-ion tech to keep up with? 

Because those SOC needed less peak performance than the latest ones, a bigger battery alone does not solve this.

Having higher peak performance also means more heat and that also has an impact on batteries.

Apple has sort of mitigated this by in fact overhauling power management apparatus of the Iphone 8 and X (which is in fact again... "throttling" and babbying the batteries, that's what power management is doing except it will now be doing straight from the start and will thus be baked into the initial performance of the device) AND in creating smaller cores to handle tasks that don't require immediate response (so limiting the draw on the battery)

Other companies like Samsung started to be hit a bit later (after the Iphone 6) cause their SOC were not as powerful and they were using multi-core already. But, in the last two years in has emerged there too and unless they put some work they'll have shutdowns all over the place.

And yes, the problem is the battery technology has not kept up with how powerful those pocket computers are.

They'd need some tech that is more resilient to high loads and heat and not just more energy dense, though that would help too.

Another issue is USAGE of those powerful devices have changed, people in the 3GS days did a lot less thing on their phones than now, there were less Apps (the app store was pretty new) and the apps that existed had less capability. Most people didn't keep their GPS on all the time, which is the case now. Apple had strong limitations on background apps that don't exist now.  Video usage on phones was lower, music streaming was emergent, few used it..

Interconnection opportunities have exploded through blue tooth (headphones, Apple Watch, Speakers, beacons, home automation)  or WIFI (airplay, homekit, etc, AppleTV).

Finally, because those devices are so damn powerful, people don't feel a need to upgrade as quickly than before, so the heaviest users (charging say twice a day) that WOULD have been hit by these things before but had already moved on to a new phone by then, now are keeping their phones.

Those heavy users are using their phones even more heavily.and intensely on phones that have gotten much more powerful and want to keep those phones longer, it's obvious a hell of a lot of people will have depleted batteries after 12-18 months than before because battery tech has barely moved.

For many people, that are not heavy, intense users, the phones will still last 24-36 months before requiring a battery change. In the old days, most people would have changed their phones by year 3. But, now those "normal" users are keeping their phones and thus they will be hit before they buy their next phone, somewhere in year 3-4.

It's like people got used to not changing their batteries because of the fast upgrade cycles (the people that got their phones undoubtedly knew they needed to change that battery and there were battery change shops everywhere to do it).

As for pre 6 not running into this, I did run into this, but a bit later, usually if you kept your phone more than 3 years on those less powerful phones. I had to change my 3GS battery at year 4 cause it was always dying, especially if it was even slightly cold outside.

This is not about battery tech per se or changed user habits but about wrong compromise apple maked. 

Battery response curve to instantenous power draw is regulated by amount of electrolyte. Yes, it’s that simple. But, higher amount in given volume will result in lower capacity and you know the rest. 

And this talk about ageing and consumable angle is just PR BS to avoid costly recall. Read this: https://www.macworld.com/article/1058916/smartphones/iphonebattery.html

read it as: don’t wory, non replaceable battery is just fine. Now is not so, ur expected to change because battery IS consumable item. Which way is, dear Apple?

What a load of nonsense. 

Yes, rechargeable batteries are, and have always been, consumable. Even old iPods had battery replacement services. You just didnt care back then because you didnt use the devices as intensely as we use them today. EOS.

Next!

Haha. My 12m old 7 has 93% remaining capacity and yesterday shutted down when my wife called me. Battery was at 50-60% charge. Intensely? You are just ignoring facts. 

foggyhill said:

adm1 said:

this is all very well and good, but still misses the point of why this only became a "thing" from the iPhone 6 onwards. Why did iPhone 3/3G/4/4S/5/5S batteries last for several years without problems? iPhone 6 onward only seem to last 1-2years before suffering battery related issues? Are the phones now too powerful for lithium-ion tech to keep up with? 

Because those SOC needed less peak performance than the latest ones, a bigger battery alone does not solve this.

Having higher peak performance also means more heat and that also has an impact on batteries.

Apple has sort of mitigated this by in fact overhauling power management apparatus of the Iphone 8 and X (which is in fact again... "throttling" and babbying the batteries, that's what power management is doing except it will now be doing straight from the start and will thus be baked into the initial performance of the device) AND in creating smaller cores to handle tasks that don't require immediate response (so limiting the draw on the battery)

Other companies like Samsung started to be hit a bit later (after the Iphone 6) cause their SOC were not as powerful and they were using multi-core already. But, in the last two years in has emerged there too and unless they put some work they'll have shutdowns all over the place.

And yes, the problem is the battery technology has not kept up with how powerful those pocket computers are.

They'd need some tech that is more resilient to high loads and heat and not just more energy dense, though that would help too.

Another issue is USAGE of those powerful devices have changed, people in the 3GS days did a lot less thing on their phones than now, there were less Apps (the app store was pretty new) and the apps that existed had less capability. Most people didn't keep their GPS on all the time, which is the case now. Apple had strong limitations on background apps that don't exist now.  Video usage on phones was lower, music streaming was emergent, few used it..

Interconnection opportunities have exploded through blue tooth (headphones, Apple Watch, Speakers, beacons, home automation)  or WIFI (airplay, homekit, etc, AppleTV).

Finally, because those devices are so damn powerful, people don't feel a need to upgrade as quickly than before, so the heaviest users (charging say twice a day) that WOULD have been hit by these things before but had already moved on to a new phone by then, now are keeping their phones.

Those heavy users are using their phones even more heavily.and intensely on phones that have gotten much more powerful and want to keep those phones longer, it's obvious a hell of a lot of people will have depleted batteries after 12-18 months than before because battery tech has barely moved.

For many people, that are not heavy, intense users, the phones will still last 24-36 months before requiring a battery change. In the old days, most people would have changed their phones by year 3. But, now those "normal" users are keeping their phones and thus they will be hit before they buy their next phone, somewhere in year 3-4.

It's like people got used to not changing their batteries because of the fast upgrade cycles (the people that got their phones undoubtedly knew they needed to change that battery and there were battery change shops everywhere to do it).

As for pre 6 not running into this, I did run into this, but a bit later, usually if you kept your phone more than 3 years on those less powerful phones. I had to change my 3GS battery at year 4 cause it was always dying, especially if it was even slightly cold outside.

This is not about battery tech per se or changed user habits but about wrong compromise apple maked. 

Battery response curve to instantenous power draw is regulated by amount of electrolyte. Yes, it’s that simple. But, higher amount in given volume will result in lower capacity and you know the rest. 

And this talk about ageing and consumable angle is just PR BS to avoid costly recall. Read this: https://www.macworld.com/article/1058916/smartphones/iphonebattery.html

read it as: don’t wory, non replaceable battery is just fine. Now is not so, ur expected to change because battery IS consumable item. Which way is, dear Apple?

viclauyyc said:

adm1 said:

JWSC said:

As much as I dislike Qualcomm, I’m trying to understand what EU law they violated.  Certainly, their behavior was anticompetitive and gave Apple an unfair price advantage for their paid for ‘loyalty.’

But I think merely being anticompetitive is not enough to warrant the EU’s attention.  Is it not anticompetitive when you offer a product at a lower price than competitors?  Yes, but no laws are broken and it is normal marketplace practice to compete on price.  Is it not unfair when you can get a better price from a supplier when you bargain harder than your competitors?  Yes, but it is also normal marketplace behavior to try to get the best bargain to reduce unit costs and increase profits.

So again, what laws did Qualcomm brake?  Or was it just bad optics and political opportunism that motivate EU attention?

The key is think outside of the American way of life; US ≠ Rest of the World. The business model ingrained in the American mind is different to that in Europe or Asia for example and often will clash, it doesn't mean one is wrong or right, but companies that compete globally have to adhere to the laws in each market and not just their home country.

But which EU country make cellphones or the chip? Is the monopoly damaged their profit or chance to survive?

Ericsson is forced to withdraw from market in that time frame...

consumers, higher prices?

mindwaves said:

I "actively" use it maybe 1-2 a day. I say "Hey, Siri" <long pause> "Set a time for 15 minutes" or "Wake me up at 6:30." That is all I use it for. Completely useless otherwise.

I would use it even more if I didn't have to pause. Why can't I say "Hey Siri, set a time for 15 minutes" without the pause? So annoying.

? iphone 7 here, no need to wait at all. Works every time