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StrangeDays said:

feudalist said:

StrangeDays said:

maxit said:

IN this story we just need ONE HONEST ANSWER: why Apple is throttling also 1 year old devices. I don’t care if they are throttling 2+ years old iPhone to preserve and prolong their life. But why on hell are they throttling iPhone 7’s ???

The peak power draw throttling checks a number of factors, the primary being whether your battery is toast.

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Go into Settings > Battery and have a look. No warning message, no problem.

According to official Apple statement it's just 3: device temp, battery charge state and battery impedance. So, there is no single word about age or diminished capacity as a reason to engage this feature. And we are talking about ten pages long article. But there is one key sentence to think about: "In addition, a battery's ability to provide power quickly may decrease". This 10-pages long article, actually, is about that. Only that and nothing more. So, according to this statement, throtling is engaged without taking in consideration number of cycles or retained capacity. 

So again, a non-defective 7 will still have a healthy battery unless you’ve charged it 2-3 full cycles a day. 

This is overly simplistic view. As I said earlier, Li-ion batteries are known quantity. Until 6, 6s and Se, Apple didn’t have any batterie issue big enough to worry about. Suddenly, they have it. Big enough to go to research, find underlying cause and implement sw solution which is to say that iphone batterie can not prowide power as designed, produced, assembled and sold. Clearly, it’s design flaw. Kind of, only best in field can make. When you work at Apple, there is no third grade components, tolerances are tight, QC pervassive. Engeneering is about trade-ofs, first block is tightly controlled, second also and so on. Somebody decided that there is little room to squeeze couple mAh more in capacity versus little more current. Because everything is too tight on edge of whats possible, and you think that everything is tightly controlled, you can make bad call and when one component goes just little bit outside boundaries, everything fails. It can happen to everybody. In that case you just have to be honest, admit and correct no matter what. All this nightmare is about honesty. 

wonkothesane said:

JFC_PA said:

wonkothesane said:

JFC_PA said:

Quite the opposite. The slowdown involving failed batteries is planned life extension. 

But if they can’t make a clear case this could lead to a global bill with a lot of trailing zeros. 

The key is showing the code that responds to battery condition and not simply the date the phone was manufactured. That would be performance management in reaction to the inevitable chemistry of a Lithium battery not “planned obsolescence”. 

A conditional: “if, then”...

not even Apple gets to repel the reslities of chemistry, ones thry spell out in their product description btw. 

For me personally, it boils down to: I bought this phone “as is”. No explicit commitment was given by the manufacturer about speed. Actually, they state lifetime (I.e. single charge duration) in perfect = new state. The rest is physics.  

It's true that there is no explicit garantee for any bit of performance. Because there is no need for that - it's expected that any kind of machine runs as sold until something is broken. It's expected that batteries age, so you have litle less running time every day etc etc. It was thrue for other iphones, ipods and ipads and for any other battery powered device in existence. li-ion batteries are in long use and they are known variable. iPhone battery tipically can withstand 700-800 full cycles and loose just 20% of capacity  without unexpected shuttdowns. It's reasonable to expect 2-3 yrs of usable life from one of the most expensive smartphones on Earth.

P.S. Seems to me that you never watched new apple iphone presentation. They love to brag about SoC performance, Shiller even went so far to tell that "ihpone 7 is fastest smartphone ever made" After throtling is secretly implemented that's not thrue any more so we are talking about false advertasing now...

"Amid mounting criticism over Apple's decision to throttle older iPhones to keep them running smoothly"

Oposite: in order to keep them running at all; throtled iPhone's are not smooth by any meeasure.

sflocal said:

feudalist said:

rob53 said:

Here we go again, someone who knows next to nothing about how rechargeable batteries work. Why is it nobody cares about all their battery operated devices needing new batteries? We hardly ever hear about those but everyone is complaining about Apple's batteries as if they expect them to last forever.

If forever means 2-3 years usefull life out of 800 to 1000 USD priced phone, yes we are not expecting but requesting that.

Who the heck told you an $800-$1000 phone is only "useful" to 2-3 years?  Does it suddenly stop working?  

Apple implied that when they pushed this feature to one year old 6s at time and recently to 7 at same age. Interestingly enough, throtled 7’s instantly apeared in geekbench analyssis. My 7 is fine and I’m happy as allways but this secretly deployed sollution makes me dissapointed and a bit anxious about future. I’m holding on 11.1 because I want to be able to see problems when they arrive not to be bounced from one possible solution to another and never see real problem. That’s not apple customer service I know. I don’t think that there was intention to sell defective units, that this quallifies as planned obolescence or anything nefarious regarding theyr intentions. Considering everything said and done, Apple, most likely, played on razor thin reserve in battery capacity trying to shave another tenth of milimeter of case thikness and that not played well. Two or three year development cycle, extremly powerfull SoC associated with high instantenous power draw to move that silky user interface got them on wrong foot. There must be considerable large number of affected units and potential to hit buttom-line that they decided to hide this problem. Otherwise, why bother, there was recall before, anyway. 

sflocal said:

feudalist said:

rob53 said:

Here we go again, someone who knows next to nothing about how rechargeable batteries work. Why is it nobody cares about all their battery operated devices needing new batteries? We hardly ever hear about those but everyone is complaining about Apple's batteries as if they expect them to last forever.

If forever means 2-3 years usefull life out of 800 to 1000 USD priced phone, yes we are not expecting but requesting that.

Who the heck told you an $800-$1000 phone is only "useful" to 2-3 years?  Does it suddenly stop working?  Are you not able to take that phone to an Apple store 2-3 years later (or somewhere else) and have the battery replaced with a brand new one for < $100?

The battery in my car lasts between 3-4 years.  Should I expect the car to be unusable after that as you imply?

Car battery is like fraction of one percent of car price. And it’s there just to start real power source. 
Iphone battery is about 20% or more of used iphone resale value, so that’s considerable expense. 

Regarding usefull life, Apple said that, implicitly, pushing this feature to one year old iphone 7’s when some of them imediatly started throtling, confirmed by geekbench anallysis. If you don’t like facts, you have bigger problem than some anonymous on internet.