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Rayz2016 said:

feudalist said:

foggyhill said:

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rob53 said:

Here we go again, someone who knows next to nothing about how rechargeable batteries work. Why is it nobody cares about all their battery operated devices needing new batteries? We hardly ever hear about those but everyone is complaining about Apple's batteries as if they expect them to last forever.

If forever means 2-3 years usefull life out of 800 to 1000 USD priced phone, yes we are not expecting but requesting that.

Right... I suppose you throw a away your car instead of changing the tires, or the battery in your car
no matter the usage, no matter the conditions you used / use them in huh bud.

I like this analogy and I will take it little further. So, if it happens that manufacturer used special bolts only accesible in manufacturer aproved service stations, of course without any warranty whatsoever but you will loose warranty for car if you make change in nearest garage, and they are prone to sudden loss of pressure unrelated to use/abuse before they are fully worn-out, what would be your expectation about longevity?

Then I would say you’re driving a Toyota Prius because those are the conditions of their warranties.

How do I know? 

I drive one and I’ve actually read the warranty.

If I take it back to the dealership (and if I take it anywhere other than a proper Toyota garage then the warranty is cancelled), I cannot tell them that the battery has failed “and it’s not related to use and abuse” and expect them to take my word for it. They will examine the car to see exactly what I have been doing with it. 

The same with a phone. There is no point trying to say that battery died too early because you have no idea how much the phone was used, what it was used for, and how many charge cycles the battery had to endure as a result. 

The life of the battery depends more on the number of times it is charged than its actual physical age. And Apple goes to a great deal of trouble to ensure that battery is not charged more than it has to be. But in the end, the life of the battery is down to how you use the phone. 

Where I live, if a taxi is not a black cab then the chances are it is a Prius. They’re cheap to run around town, but more importantly, they’re reliable. And the reason they’re reliable and last far longer than the life of the battery is because they’re well made, and the control system prevents you from thrashing the life out of the engines. 

Incidently, the battery on a Prius is not covered by the same warranty as the rest of the car. 

Its not the fastest car I’ve ever owned, but it is easily the most comfortable and reliable. Worst car I’ve ever owned was a Golf. Volkswagen must have seem me coming. 

radster360 said:

Maybe, we should have out representative go question auto car manufacturer - It is commonly known that there are speed governors in car with electronics where it controls your max speed limit. The car can really go much more faster. Obviously the car companies do it so for the safety of the owner of the car, but also so that it doesn't destroy the engine due to prolonged running of engine at higher speed. Kind of sound familiar, doesn't it.

magman1979 said:

Not only are you a troll, 100% confirmed now after your response to me and Mr. H, but you contradict yourself in your own rebut:

"I never wrote anything about apple's intent to sold defective batteries"

feudalist said:

But there is considerable large number of throtled iphone’s just because apple had to small to sh..y batteries. Deal with it.

What about this? English as a third language or not, you made the claim you profess you didn't, in black and white. So either you're clueless, don't know what you're talking about, are forgetful, are a liar, or all of the above.

rob53 said:

Here we go again, someone who knows next to nothing about how rechargeable batteries work. Why is it nobody cares about all their battery operated devices needing new batteries? We hardly ever hear about those but everyone is complaining about Apple's batteries as if they expect them to last forever.

magman1979 said:

feudalist said:

magman1979 said:

feudalist said:

magman1979 said:

I love how uninformed and technically simple-minded folk such as yourself cling to benchmark results as gospel for explaining your uninformed conclusions...

What is the definition of a performance benchmark?

It means what a certain piece of technology can achieve performance wise when pushed to it's limit.
...

You are deflecting, attacking and insulting other people. Why?

This throtling issue is confirmed by Apple, so there is no need to invoke unrelated performance problems.

Deflecting? Attacking? Wow, someone is overly defensive...

I presented a bunch of LEGITIMATE information explaining what is actually occurring on MANY of the devices people have erroneously claimed are being throttled by Apple, when in fact this is NOT the case.

And what do you do? You either failed to read my post, or did read it, and wilfully chose to ignore the facts I presented, as they are FACTS and not conjecture, and instead chose to rebut them with the insinuation that I'm attacking you.

You are cherry picking Apple's own words to try and back your baseless claims of what is actually going on. You are obviously not open to hearing the TRUTH as to what is actually happening.

I'm not going to defend Apple for their lack of disclosure, albeit the release notes they released accompanying iOS 10.2.1 I do find to be sufficient for the function introduced. The majority of people just don't read anything, and hence this came as a bit of a shock to most. Apple should've been more upfront with this, and provided a detailed explanation at the time of the initial release.

Oh, so righteous, backed up by truth, alternate truth even. This peace is about one lawsuit regardingreal, confirmed issue. I’m not here to tell you how large number of affected users is. Seamingly, you know that number and that’s zero. There is lack of disclosure and that’s it. You are, sir, easilly fooled. You don’t have one single peace of evidence, all you can think and talk about is apple official damage-control-PR-BS. Even there is something stinking to the roof. It reads like this: we had that shuttdown problem, recalled affected units only to see same sh..t happening again with newer units. Another recall is logical and expected for same issue... but, there is no such thing in next sentence... we developed and secretly, soorryyy folks, pushed sw sollution. Oh, I know. Apple is charity so they decided to make my (and another half billion users) year with allmost free battery replacement just because I have this crazy expectations about ethernal battery longevity. Because, nobody knows nothing about battery wear, it’s like apple invented batteries yesterday, so new, so high tech. So misterious, almost magic. Maybe, even, from future. 

Instead, I got presented with poor grammar, irrational interpretations, cherry picking, and complete and utter disregard to all the facts I put forward.

Let me say this again, in case you have trouble comprehending me... I DO hold Apple accountable for the way they handled the situation in the disclosure of how they were throttling the system. I applaud them from a technical standpoint, however, to come up with a way to keep iPhone’s running instead of crashing when we might need them most, and also retaining most of their performance during day-to-day use.