feudalist

entropys said:

Wouldn’t old phones that suddenly shut down be more likely to prompt a new phone purchase? This software management is more likely to enable people to limp along with the old phone that little bit longer

StrangeDays said:

feudalist said:

StrangeDays said:

feudalist said:

magman1979 said:

I love how uninformed and technically simple-minded folk such as yourself cling to benchmark results as gospel for explaining your uninformed conclusions...

What is the definition of a performance benchmark?

It means what a certain piece of technology can achieve performance wise when pushed to it's limit.
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You are deflecting, attacking and insulting other people. Why?

This throtling issue is confirmed by Apple, so there is no need to invoke unrelated performance problems.

Sure there is, because plenty of people are conflating any perceived performance issue with the peak power draw throttling, despite not knowing if its this or that. People are complaining about general slowness only since upgrading to iOS 11, of their camera app taking 10 seconds to load, etc...which isn’t peak power draw throttling and a sign of their confusion. 

Thats is not an insult nor an attack. You’re being defensive. Why?

This conversation is about lawsuit regarding confirmed throtling. I dont know exact number of affected units, only Apple knows that. So calling names, deflecting etc is new decent, kind and inteligent conversation? Thats about one corporation incorporated to make money. And this is exactly about buttom-line, money. With every major iOS release there is large number of complaints regarding perceived drop in performance. Nothing new. You run some benchmark, numbers are the same so this must be related to new features u allready knew. You are assured that internal engine, cpu, gpu etc are working as allways. And again and again till 10.2.1 and 11.2. 

Now, you are trying to look like you know everything, every user, every device. Even, you can’t admit what apple himself allready admited. So sad...

To help clear up the mush -- we know peak performance draw throttling was introduced in 10.2.1, and we know certain criteria must be met for it to happen. But we also know that doesn't mean all performance complaints from all people are a result of it. As an example, Atomic himself said his phone was "speedy" pre-iOS 11, which makes it unlikely that his problem is peak performance draw throttling, as the feature was introduced in 10.2.1 and not in 11.

magman1979 said:

I love how uninformed and technically simple-minded folk such as yourself cling to benchmark results as gospel for explaining your uninformed conclusions...

What is the definition of a performance benchmark?

It means what a certain piece of technology can achieve performance wise when pushed to it's limit.
...

You are deflecting, attacking and insulting other people. Why?

This throtling issue is confirmed by Apple, so there is no need to invoke unrelated performance problems.

StrangeDays said:

feudalist said:

montyburns said:

For F*** sake.. They’re all a pack of whingers... if you don’t like Apple and how they make their phones and IOS.. F*** off and buy an Android. You people are pathetic and think the world owes you everything. Batteries wear out and apple does it’s best to make sure you get the best out of it with a degraded battery. Just STFU AND REPLACE THE BATTERY like normal people do when it’s worn out . With all you litigious A Holes their won’t be an Apple in Years to come

This is contract issue, they advertise, we buy. Throtling to oblivion, secretly, after the terms are consumed, is breach of contract. Yes, they are obliged to restore device to agreed perfomance minus expected wear&tear. 

You’re making that up, that isn’t what they implemented. If your phone is slowed to oblivion it’s not the peak power draw throttling.

Soli said:

ivanh said:

mr. h said:

ivanh said:

It should not be the iOS business to throttle it.

Not correct. There is nothing that the on-battery circuitry can do with regards the internal resistance of the cells. It is inevitable that if the iPhone circuitry draws too large a peak current on an old battery with high internal impedance, its output voltage will drop excessively and cause a shutdown. The throttling is used to prevent such peak current draw.

From your perspective, I know and accept what you said.  My perspective saying that "not the iOS business to throttle it" is on a different context.

I don't even know how many decades its been since CPUs were intelligently throttling performance in order to make power use as efficient as possible. Even know we have multiple cores that work in tandem to supply a variety of performance thresholds to maximize battery life. The A11 Bionic even takes that to a whole new level.

So complaining that the system is keeping a high voltage event from shutting down the system with an aged battery is just part of this evolution of more intelligent systems that will work to maximize battery life for the very mobile devices that we've come to rely on.

Are you really saying it's not Apple's business to have the system choose whether the two high-performance and/or the four-high efficiency cores in the A11 Bionic are ideal for a given moment? How about the fact that it comes from the factory underclocked for ideal performance per watt and to keep it within a certain heat threshold? What about when the system throttles down as thermometers detect that the heat it getting too high? Do you think you deserve a toggle switches in iOS so you can choose all varying CPU options that Apple has decided to choose for you? How about a slider for the maximum clock rate as you see fit… battery life and dangerous heat levels be damned?  If it's not Apple to make all these decisions then who's is it? Yours? All these seem like ridiculous expectations, to me, but if you're arguing for the device shutting down without warning do to a voltage spike that can be avoided, then these are in the same ballpark of giving the user stupid settings choices.