feudalist

Mike Wuerthele said:

feudalist said:

StrangeDays said:

Ignorant nonsense full of half truths and outright lies. Congratulations on your first post. 

One year of casual use will not cause your battery to fail the impedance checks as you claim. Nor will above casual use as most of us can attest to. You’d have to run 2-3 full charge cycles a day to wear down your battery that far. 

Set aside 6/6s. I have iphone 7, so far so good. But, can you explain something. When apple pushed iOS 11.2, almost all 7’s was covered with warranty. Users on reddit reported cases when they had batteries with 90-ish remaing capacity, allready throtled, got to apple only to hear that they batteries fine, that there is no any problem, they even refused to change battteries at owners cost. Suddenly, after reddit story go wild, apple is in sorry folks, we apologize. 
I don’t have any problem with battery age, they are consumables. But in first year of use and without clear customer support policy regarding issue? For some eastern brands for half or quarter price of iphone - its acceptable, but not for APPLE and 800 USD. I’m from EU, we have consumer protection law, two year warranty is mandatory minimum. How low cost chinese brands can do bussines here but apple can’t?  Why secrecy? I’ll tell you - because this is design flaw and number of affected units is in tens of millions so there is considerable buttom line hit. 

I’m very happy iphone user, I simply love them, but this is not acceptable behavior. No need for insults, don’t worry about me, think what you want. 

Time will tell...

Look at your warranty documents again. Batteries are consumables in the US, and EU, like you said. As such, they are not covered under consumer protection laws.

That said, with the iPhone 7, there is a chance that a battery can hit under voltage at a year, or just over. It depends on the use pattern of the owner, and the care and handling of the device. Temperature extremes like being left in a hot car, or frozen very nearly always inflict some form of permanent damage on the battery.

The cost of the device that the battery services is irrelevant. And, they last longer than a year anyway, so I'm not sure where you're coming up with that little tidbit in your argument. The reddit threat that you're speaking of is iPhone 6-family heavy.

These batteries are very small. Volume-wise, there's about the same amount of reactants in one as there is in a C-cell alkaline battery. Expecting them to be eternal or comparing them to the life of a car battery isn't reasonable, and expecting them to have the same voltage for years isn't either. Like I've said -- there is a sin to be accounted for, here, and it's a lack of disclosure beyond "oh, hey, we fixed the shutdown problem." But, it isn't a defect.

You are right, batteries are consumables, there is no protection for usual wear & tear. But, there is protection for manuf. defect, in some places upto 6 years. This is exactly the same as with firestone tyres. No guarantee for wear but there is protection for sudden puncture unrelated to use. Batteries degrade with use, you get shorter and shorter usable time betwean charges and when the battery is depleted and because there is no foolproof metods to accuratly mesure remaining charge, you can expect shuttdowns in 20-0 region. Not in seamingly healty batteries, not in first year. That’s defect, thats’s recall. Oh, we shared that story with allmost every apple product. No problem for me, my iphone 5 had defective battery in first 8 monts (simptoms exactly the same - unpredictable shuttdowns), covered in warranty, got another iphone and 4 years later stil usable. With another, had one stuck pixel, covered, me happy, love them even more. Fast forward, some 6’s got faulty batteries, apple recalled them. Fine. Forward more, there is more faulty 6’s. Ouch ouch. And thats the time when apple started this story. 

Because of apple’s good track record, there must be bigger problem than some bad batch. According to anandtech, iphone is designed to draw upto 10w in very short time. They have very tight tolerances for every component whitch is good, but batteries are on razor blade thin. It’s possible that with smallest variations in manufacturing and user care too large numbers of units can fail. Plus models are almost unafected. This is not setled, just arguing my opinion. 

Iphone price is technicaly unrelated to batteries and capacity but is related with quallity. It’s expected here, in US? you tell me. 

macxpress said:

feudalist said:

Nice bullshit first post...welcome to the forum!

U have to start from somewhere :-) :-)

StrangeDays said:

Ignorant nonsense full of half truths and outright lies. Congratulations on your first post. 

One year of casual use will not cause your battery to fail the impedance checks as you claim. Nor will above casual use as most of us can attest to. You’d have to run 2-3 full charge cycles a day to wear down your battery that far. 

Set aside 6/6s. I have iphone 7, so far so good. But, can you explain something. When apple pushed iOS 11.2, almost all 7’s was covered with warranty. Users on reddit reported cases when they had batteries with 90-ish remaing capacity, allready throtled, got to apple only to hear that they batteries fine, that there is no any problem, they even refused to change battteries at owners cost. Suddenly, after reddit story go wild, apple is in sorry folks, we apologize. 
I don’t have any problem with battery age, they are consumables. But in first year of use and without clear customer support policy regarding issue? For some eastern brands for half or quarter price of iphone - its acceptable, but not for APPLE and 800 USD. I’m from EU, we have consumer protection law, two year warranty is mandatory minimum. How low cost chinese brands can do bussines here but apple can’t?  Why secrecy? I’ll tell you - because this is design flaw and number of affected units is in tens of millions so there is considerable buttom line hit. 

I’m very happy iphone user, I simply love them, but this is not acceptable behavior. No need for insults, don’t worry about me, think what you want. 

Time will tell...

alandail said:

bluefire1 said:

Apple should have known better.

All they did was fix a problem.  Now they are being sued for fixing it.

No, they did not fix anything. They buried, and now they want as to pay twice for design flaw. 
This is not about aged or depleted batteries because in that case it is implicated that iphone is no better than for a year or so of mild use. This is about tipical apple product: well designed, well built, durable and dependable. Usually best in class. But no more. After only one year we are req. to spend another 80 bucks for own property to retain performance. No, that’s not apple and I’m not willing to accept that kind of usefull life of most expensive product in its class. You should not either