Where do you talk about how the XPS 15 / 17 has a user replaceable battery, 2 user upgradable PCIe M2 slots and 2 user upgradable RAM slots?



As well, unlike the XPS 15, the 17 uses vapor chamber cooling that is said to be an excellent system. 

I'd also add that there are the Precision versions of both of these laptops, the 5550 and the 5570.

These can be equipped with up to the Intel Xeon W-10855M (15") / Intel Xeon W-10885M (17"), 64 GB DDR4 ECC, and a Quadro T2000 (15") / Quadro RTX 3000 (17").  They also have optional 5 year next business day onsite service warranties.

AppleInsider said:

It's even hard to justify the Surface Go 2 as an ideal Windows tablet, as it is supplied with Windows 10 in S Mode, a locked-down version that forces the use of apps only downloaded from the Microsoft Store.

Ultimately, while it is fair to say that Apple continues to have the upper hand in this particular case, credit does have to be given to Microsoft for trying to take on the iPad with a device that squeezes a lot into a very thin and small iPad-like profile. It's just not quite where it needs to be to become a viable opponent.

Malcolm, Windows 10 in S Mode is not what you're thinking of. S Mode can simply be switched off, they just happen to have it on by default.

You also didn't bother discussing the key advantage the Surface Go 2 has over the iPad, the fact it's running full blown Windows 10 and can run anything you throw at it (as long as the core m3 meets the requirements)! It can run the full version of any application, you could even create light weight virtual machines or run Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL 2) with Microsoft's Linux kernel.

At the end of the day, if you want a device for consumption and light workloads, the iPad is great. However, if you want a device of this size for productivity, the Surface Go 2 is without rival.

The 5.4" iPhone would be a nice option as it's smaller / less expensive, but between the camera setup, 120 Hz display and extra RAM, the 12 Pro seems to offer more of what I'm looking for. Now all I have to do is wait until later this year.

muthuk_vanalingam said:

Xed said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

Xed said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

Xed said:

KITA said:

Okay, but in India a flagship OnePlus 8 that launched in Q2 2020 is only Rs 41,999 ($556 USD) and an iPhone SE is Rs 42,499 ($562 USD). So it's not much of a surprise when other flagships aren't even in that price bracket.

What exactly is your point about the ultra-premium market segment?

The point is - the line is drawn "arbitrarily" to make Apple's position in India "look" better. It is just pure optics and NOTHING else in the context of smartphone market in India. Despite this, we have people like lkrupp, who keep complaining that Apple get ONLY negative press day in, day out.

Is it drawn arbitrarily or drawn purposely to make Apple’s position look better? It can’t be both.

If you fee there are better demarcation points based on price and device options for the Indian smartphone market I’m sure we’re all open to see them, but $500 and up for luxury and $700 and up for ultra-luxury sounds pretty reasonable to me.

What’s the alternative? We remove these terms and just look at the smartphone market as a whole? Is it really fair to look at $50 smartphones with the same “optics” as $1200 smartphone? Are they really the same buyer to you?

Well, in the context of Indian smartphone market, anything above Rs. 30,000 ($400) is a premium phone. And OnePlus is THE leader in this segment for last couple of years. And IDC definitely has this data as well. In order to make Apple look good, the line is drawn just above the best selling OnePlus phones price point.

Using your previous comment about how shittyApple's sales are in India because “97.8%” of the total smartphone market is Android, how much of the total smartphone market is the $400 OnePlus? Are they not shit since the sales of the OnePlus would be an even smaller percentage of total smartphone sales?

Well, don't you think OnePlus (an underdog in the grand scheme of things) doing "BETTER" than Apple is an achievement in itself, considering that they are selling "premium" phones ONLY like Apple???? And OnePlus is NOT an independent brand. They are a sub-brand of BBK electronics. BBK has about 45%+ share in smartphone sales in India (not bad, right?).

Few more meaningful numbers for you to chew, from the IDC report in the context of smartphone market in India:

1. Total smartphones shipped in India in Q1 2020 - 32.5 million

2. Percentage of smartphones shipped with price > $300 - 5.6% (1.82 million)

3. Percentage of smartphone shipped with price > $500 - 1.8% (585,000)

4. Apple's share of smartphones shipped with price > $500 - 62.7% (366,795).

Just read those numbers and come to your own conclusion on Apple's GREAT achievement that the title of this article is boasting about.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Even the OnePlus 7T, their flagship in Q1 2020, was only in the $300 to $500 category. With the launch of the OnePlus 8 in the $500+ segment in Q2 2020, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's percentage fell further this quarter (for whatever that's even worth).

muthuk_vanalingam said:

Xed said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

Xed said:

KITA said:

Okay, but in India a flagship OnePlus 8 that launched in Q2 2020 is only Rs 41,999 ($556 USD) and an iPhone SE is Rs 42,499 ($562 USD). So it's not much of a surprise when other flagships aren't even in that price bracket.

What exactly is your point about the ultra-premium market segment?

The point is - the line is drawn "arbitrarily" to make Apple's position in India "look" better. It is just pure optics and NOTHING else in the context of smartphone market in India. Despite this, we have people like lkrupp, who keep complaining that Apple get ONLY negative press day in, day out.

Is it drawn arbitrarily or drawn purposely to make Apple’s position look better? It can’t be both.

If you fee there are better demarcation points based on price and device options for the Indian smartphone market I’m sure we’re all open to see them, but $500 and up for luxury and $700 and up for ultra-luxury sounds pretty reasonable to me.

What’s the alternative? We remove these terms and just look at the smartphone market as a whole? Is it really fair to look at $50 smartphones with the same “optics” as $1200 smartphone? Are they really the same buyer to you?

Well, in the context of Indian smartphone market, anything above Rs. 30,000 ($400) is a premium phone. And OnePlus is THE leader in this segment for last couple of years. And IDC definitely has this data as well. In order to make Apple look good, the line is drawn just above the best selling OnePlus phones price point.

It's kind of like if a headline was posted saying:

"Samsung's Galaxy Fold captures 98% of USA's 'super-ultra-premium' smartphone market"

"Galaxy Fold accounted for 98% of the shipments in the $1800 to over-$2500 segment over the three month period"