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Intel has had so many delays and setbacks, it's just hard to trust these types of claim. It's obvious that they have a lot of talent and capabilities, but their business operation has had them drag their feet until it was far too late. Foundry issues have also been a big part of their undoing. It's amazing how far behind they were on getting their 10 nm out the door. They've been known to have a few aces up their sleeve in the past, but it's just not so clear that will be the case this time around.

canukstorm said:

lkrupp said:

Anyone notice how the Intel apologists have come out of the woodwork in these forums? The M1 Max must really have their full attention these days.

Bold words by you considering you wear the crown for being the King (or Queen) of Apple apologists even when it isn't warranted.  And I don't mean that in a positive way.

Ikrupp's posts are nothing short of cancerous with nothing of value to add to any discussion. The only aim of his posts are to promote hatred and divide among readers and members here.

Absolute poison.

Beats said:

Windows is still better for gaming? Why can’t Apple tackle gaming??

macOS has essentially no market share or ecosystem in this area compared to Windows.

Windows devices are still better in the vast majority of workflows and applications, most of that is due to the fact that the applications needed for these workflows just don't exist on macOS.

If you're going to buy one of these new MacBook Pro laptops, you're probably doing it for something like Final Cut Pro or similar. Even Premiere Pro might still be faster on a Windows laptop.

These are very specific workflows that Apple is targeting, but they're doing an exceptional job at it.

I think Dave Lee put it well, the new MacBook Pros are professional tools and they're expensive. Similar to the Mac Pro, unless you have a very specific workflow, you don't need it. 

GeorgeBMac said:

That's not to fault this review, which is, as always, a good one. 

Agree to disagree I suppose... The article does essentially nothing to "review" either device beyond a light spec sheet comparison.

AppleInsider said:

Specifications

	16-inch MacBook Pro (2021)	Dell XPS 17 (2021)

Just a note, the model listed in this article is the original 2020 model (10th gen + RTX 2060).

The later reference to the fully spec'd version is the actual 2021 XPS 17 (11th gen + RTX 3060).

The Apple M1 scores ~18,000 in OpenCL (1) and ~20,000 in Metal (2) on Geekbench.

The Macbook Pro with M1 Max 32 core scored ~60,000 in OpenCL (3) on Geekbench. The ~68,000 Metal score above is likely the 32 core version as well.

The RTX 3080 scores much higher than 90,000. A 130W version of the RTX 3080 in a laptop scores ~120,000 in OpenCL (4) on Geekbench.

Apple used a 165W version of the RTX 3080 in their comparison: